How practical is consort practice for the majority?

[Virgo]

Kriya tantra, such as avalokiteshvara tantra is more suitable for general public. This tantra is without consort and te conduct has to be extremely pure. No garlic and vegetarian.

We don't like purity. I'm not pure, so I don't want to be fake.

For example, I like garlic and sex. And so do alot of people, you know?

And for people like me, that is why HYT was taught.

Kevin

[kirtu]

Wanking is only sexual misconduct for monks.

It's still craving and attachment for everyone, yes?

In fact, to do consort practice, you have to inflame you and your partner's desire as much as possible, use very erotic language, candles, nice food, wine, clothes, scents, being as free from physical inhibition as possible, etc., and you have to do so for an extended period of time, weeks and months.

Then it's perfect for Gay men. Except I'm pretty certain that aspect isn't covered.

Kirt

[DarwidHalim]

We don't like purity. I'm not pure, so I don't want to be fake.
Kevin

May be I use a wrong word. I mean kriya tantra practitioner have to be clean.

Kriya tantra is also called Action tantra. Visualization of Avalokitesvhara and his shadana, belong to this group.

Have you ever read this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Deity-Yoga-Action ... 89&sr=8-10

Inside that book, Dalai Lama made a story about 1 Indian yogi who practice Avalokiteshvara shadana. He did it correctly, no mistakes. However, he didn't have any realizations. So, he asked his teacher and he found out that he didn't bath.

After he cleaned his body, and practice again, he got all the realizations.

In the past, there are certain procedure just to take bath in Kriya Tantra (Action Tantra). Very troublesome actually.

Now, it is very simple. Thanks to the modern soap. Clean and effective.

The food that we eat is also an important factors in this Kriya tantra. Clean in and out.

[kirtu]

What do you make of the similar magic techniques described in HYT like the Cakrasamvara Tantra? It becomes symbolic suddenly?

Oh, who really knows. The way these tantras are interpreted however is that they are all symbols.

All symbolic? Methinks this is a bit of an exaggeration.

Kirt

[Virgo]

The food that we eat is also an important factors in this Kriya tantra. Clean in and out.

I like being clean (nails cut, freshly bathed, etc). But like I said, I like some garlic (and I like making love to women).

Kevin

[Malcolm]

What do you make of the similar magic techniques described in HYT like the Cakrasamvara Tantra? It becomes symbolic suddenly?

Oh, who really knows. The way these tantras are interpreted however is that they are all symbols.

All symbolic? Methinks this is a bit of an exaggeration.

Kirt

In the case of Cakrasamvara, Hevajra and so on, not at all.

[kirtu]

For example, in Lamdre, there is union yoga both below and above the path of seeing.

Interesting....seems like a lot of awesome material in Lamdre...I knew I should have went last year to Walden!

Note to self: ... just get there.

Kirt

[Virgo]

Have you ever read this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Deity-Yoga-Action ... 89&sr=8-10

I've not read it.

Kevin

[Virgo]

Pure and impure really these are false notions. I learned this from my Teachers.

Kevin

[DarwidHalim]

I like being clean (nails cut, freshly bathed, etc). But like I said, I like some garlic (and I like making love to women).

Oh ok.

I don't know whether tantric path is then suitable or not for your specific case. Because instead of using the desire to see the essenceless of desire, we may instead put more seed of desire, which will simply manifest stronger and stronger in the future.

Tantric is double edge sword.

[Virgo]

Tantric is double edge sword.

lol

Not according to the tantras that I do.

Kevin

[Lhug-Pa]

In fact, to do consort practice, you have to inflame you and your partner's desire as much as possible, use very erotic language, candles, nice food, wine, clothes, scents, being as free from physical inhibition as possible, etc., and you have to do so for an extended period of time, weeks and months.

People who claim that it is some dry yogic experience free of desire obviously have never actually received actual detailed instruction on it, or done the practice.

Karmamudra practice is at times combined with a Pancatattva-style Ganachakra or Ganapuja. Although didn't many of the Mahasiddhas do consort practice in places like caves and such, and therefore did not always have many of these kinds of ornaments for the practice? Yet considering that they were Siddhas and Mahasiddhas, they probably could have just manifested them out of thin air.

[Malcolm]

In fact, to do consort practice, you have to inflame you and your partner's desire as much as possible, use very erotic language, candles, nice food, wine, clothes, scents, being as free from physical inhibition as possible, etc., and you have to do so for an extended period of time, weeks and months.

People who claim that it is some dry yogic experience free of desire obviously have never actually received actual detailed instruction on it, or done the practice.

Karmamudra practice is at times combined with a Pancatattva-style Ganachakra or Ganapuja. Although didn't many of the Mahasiddhas do consort practice in places like caves and such, and therefore did not always have many of these kinds of ornaments for the practice? Yet considering that they were Siddhas and Mahasiddhas, they probably could have just manifested them out of thin air.

Vajrayāna in India was an urban phenomena.

[Caz]

Tantric wanking ?
Isnt this why its not ment to be disscussed openly to prevent fits of giggles ?

[Malcolm]

Tantric wanking ?
Isnt this why its not ment to be disscussed openly to prevent fits of giggles ?

It is a skillful means meant to make Buddhism appealing to teen football hooligans.

[justsit]

Tantric wanking ?
Isnt this why its not ment to be disscussed openly to prevent fits of giggles ?

It is a skillful means meant to make Buddhism appealing to teen football hooligans.

Also a great name for a band out of Liverpool.



How does "tantric wanking" differ from your basic garden-variety wanking??

[Lhug-Pa]

I'm clueless there ^^^. It couldn't be referring to Jnanamudra or Vajroli Mudra, so maybe Namdrol was only takin' the mickey.

Vajrayāna in India was an urban phenomena.

Sure. But in reading Sky Dancer for example, I remember the said 'esoteric conduct' (Karmamudra) having taken place in more rugged settings.

[Zenshin 善心]

i for one, am struggling in my practice - perhaps we could devote a subforum to tantric wanking with tips and advice from more experienced practitioners?

[Malcolm]

I'm clueless there ^^^. It couldn't be referring to Jnanamudra or Vajroli Mudra, so maybe Namdrol took for a bunch of wankers and was only takin' the mickey.

Vajrayāna in India was an urban phenomena.

Sure. But in reading Sky Dancer for example, I remember the said 'esoteric conduct' (Karmamudra) having taken place in more rugged settings.

Yes, in Tibet. Tibetans were very prudish about sexuality.

But not in India. For example, when Virupa was practicing conduct, he did so in his room in the monastery. This is why he got kicked out actually.

N

[kirtu]

I'm clueless there ^^^. It couldn't be referring to Jnanamudra or Vajroli Mudra, so maybe Namdrol took for a bunch of wankers and was only takin' the mickey.

Vajrayāna in India was an urban phenomena.

Sure. But in reading Sky Dancer for example, I remember the said 'esoteric conduct' (Karmamudra) having taken place in more rugged settings.

Yes, in Tibet. Tibetans were very prudish about sexuality.

But not in India. For example, when Virupa was practicing conduct, he did so in his room in the monastery. This is why he got kicked out actually.

N

But that conduct wasn't even real. It was just a vision seen by some people. Others saw other things (lamps, etc.).

Kirt