There are sexual practices in Vajrayana, fragant herbs. What's the problem about it? It's a good practice among many others. Plus, your knowledge about the tantras is practically null. You are not qualified to discuss tantra. Period.
All you have to say comes from ignorance, bias and poor sources. So instead of keep vomiting more BS about tantra, understand that you have no authority to talk about it. At least no more than a kinder garden brat talking about quantum physics because he read one or two books. I wonder where that kind of puritanical bullshit comes from, but seems to be all you discuss regarding Vajrayana. Nobody forces you to practice.
I'm not to put up with people slandering Vajrayana freely, especially people who abundantly show not having qualifications. If you want to discuss abuse, we can do it. Equating Vajrayana to abuse is more than I'm prepared to concede, so I'll start reporting posts that have such content.
More than that, this as a personal note, you seem to have some kind of extreme aversion to sex, like if it was something inherently dirty. I'll go out on a limb and say that to me it looks like you have some deep issues to deal with, probably with the help of a professional.
Please stop pushing your views about tantra as if they are wholesome. They are not.
There are those who have too much attachment to sex and those who have too much repulsion. Both sides of the same coin.
This thread is about abuse in Buddhism, not about discussing if Vajrayana is abuse or prone to it.
himalayanspirit wrote:It's not a violation of lay precepts and monks lay down their vows. Citation please.
If monks can lay down precepts for some time (temporarily) then they are not monks. I mean, a monk can't say "I will lay down my precepts of not having sex and not eating meat next week, because I am going back to my hometown for holidays". Once the precepts are taken, they have to be followed sincerely, or at the very least, the intention should always be to maintain them completely.
If what you say were the case, then I would be a monk too, because I only indulge in sex once in a very rare while.
I think this concept temporarily laying down precepts is a perversion of Buddhist precepts by the Tibetans or Westerners.
And there are also questions to the authenticity of the Surangama Sutra:
Same with most of the tantras.
Really? Does the consort get the same kind of enlightenment as the male just be allowing him to come over her? If just offering oneself so passively to a reputed lama would bring enlightenment to women, most of the women would happily offer themselves - not to mention, the women would be superior in their potential for enlightenment considering that the male has to be active and put effort and the female has to just passively offer herself. Most of the Mahasiddhas chose prostitutes for their practice. I think this is a violation of Buddhist precepts, for at least the customers pay her in return for her services, where as the Mahasiddha merely uses her for his own personal benefit/liberation.
what I am questioning is if exploitation of a woman just for a practice is contradictory to Buddhism?
Mahayana vinaya is even more elaborate than Hinayana, and it has even more stricter restrictions.
Mahayana scriptures also consider sex as an impediment to Buddhahood.
Lastly, I would like to post an excerpt from the prophecy of Padmasambhava to further my argument:Guru Rinpoche further said that in that era, many ordained monks are greedy and pursue wealth and fame. They travel everywhere to cheat on their followers. They plan and think of ways to get offerings and donations from followers and possess their own private wealth and properties, yet they do not engage in any Buddhist practice or chanting on their own. They indulge in music, dance and entertainments. They break precepts and vows yet without any remorse
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