I'm simply asking you
actually in Buddhist teachings make it a religion. I'm not talking about the form, or who believes what, but the content itself. I'm also not trying to argue with you. You get carried away easily by this.
Seems an old sore.
The reason I say Buddhist teachings are not religious doesn't really have anything to do with my aversion to religion, which I don't have. It's also not because I feel more comfortable one way than another.
It's simply about the teachings themselves and what they are pointing to. The fact that they (4 noble truths and so on) are mere observations of the reality of the nature that is wrongly perceived by ordinary people.
Further how, in Mahayana teachings, even the Four Noble Truths (including the path) are refuted by the Buddha as being falsely set up, taking for granted that phenomena like "suffering" are real. Same with the "Dependent Origination" teachings being set up to loosen the grip of the deluded based on what they understand and hold to be true.
So if the Four Noble Truths are to be a basis for claiming Buddhism as a religion, or as being the Buddhist creed
I'd have to disagree from a Mahayana standpoint, and actually any standpoint because at the very beginning, even to the deluded, they are mere observations... not faiths or convictions, unless the words themselves are attached to and not just used for direction.
It's like first teaching a child; "This round ball is blue
. This square block is red
. This is the correct understanding of the color and shape of objects."
But then later coming back and teaching; "Okay, now that you understand this, in fact these objects have no color. Color is created by your brain and eye-consciousness when light enters the working eye and the brain translates it to you. Color exists only in your brain, not on the objects themselves. And in fact, you only see objects based on color. Even the shape you discern is based on illusory lines created by contrasting background colors. So you can't really say that you see an object, neither square nor round, blue nor red. You only see color, and color is subjective reality..."
Kind of like that, if it makes sense. I could explain in more detail what I mean with examples from our holy holy texts, if you are at all interested in the discussion.