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Emptiness of emptiness Vs nihilism

Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:27 am

Dear Members,

What are the difference between emptiness of emptiness and nihilism?
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!
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Re: Emptiness of emptiness Vs nihilism

Postby ronnewmexico » Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:48 am

Hmmm

Well looking at your statement below you comment....I'd say you may tell us, or me, at least.
Seems you must know how this is. Or at least you must have strong opinion.

I say..lets hear it :smile:
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Re: Emptiness of emptiness Vs nihilism

Postby deepbluehum » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:27 am

DarwidHalim wrote:Dear Members,

What are the difference between emptiness of emptiness and nihilism?


Emptiness is a term used, nothing more. This is what emptiness of emptiness means.
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Re: Emptiness of emptiness Vs nihilism

Postby mudra » Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:11 am

"emptiness" which is the English translation of shunyata refers to 'things' lacking an existence of their own, they are 'empty' of any inherent, independent existence. The 'emptiness of emptiness' refers to this nature also lacking its own existence, it too is dependent.

Nihilism is the belief that in reality there is nothing, that for example after death there is simply nothing.

I'm sure a few other members will add some more comments.
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Re: Emptiness of emptiness Vs nihilism

Postby Jinzang » Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:27 pm

In Buddhist terms, a nihilist is someone who denies the law of cause and effect, specifically moral cause and effect. The emptiness of emptiness indicates that emptiness itself is dependent upon the phenomena which are empty.
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Re: Emptiness of emptiness Vs nihilism

Postby sangyey » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:34 am

I think emptiness of emptiness refers to actual meditation on emptiness where you may be focusing on the emptiness of emptiness or something like that but generally you still need the general understanding like it's meaning being dependent origination and relying on the authoritative texts, etc.
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Re: Emptiness of emptiness Vs nihilism

Postby conebeckham » Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:55 am

Jinzang wrote:In Buddhist terms, a nihilist is someone who denies the law of cause and effect, specifically moral cause and effect. The emptiness of emptiness indicates that emptiness itself is dependent upon the phenomena which are empty.

Agree, w/ respect to nihilist definition.
One could also say this error comes from a misunderstanding of the Two Truths, or a feeling that because there is no essential ultimate, somehow one can disregard the inexorability of karmic law on the relative level, the level of sentient beings.

Emptiness of emptiness is really another way of saying "absence of essential ultimate."
There's no "existing emptiness" which inheres as any essence of phenomena. It is a mere lack, with nothing posited in it's place.
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Re: Emptiness of emptiness Vs nihilism

Postby Virgo » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:08 am

DarwidHalim wrote:Dear Members,

What are the difference between emptiness of emptiness and nihilism?

Nihilism (Indian): Things do not exist.

Emptiness: Things neither exist nor not exist.

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