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What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby edearl » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:13 pm

Is there anything that everyone in the world can agree upon?

What can Buddhists agree upon?

EDIT: maybe a better question
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Re: Can We Agree on Anything?

Postby Madeliaette » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:39 pm

:thinking:
hmmm... the majority of humans have a pair of feet at the bottom and a head on top....
um.... As we are not yet Buddhas, we are not yet good 'enough' to give up trying to be better....
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Re: Can We Agree on Anything?

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:42 pm

edearl wrote:Is there anything that everyone in the world can agree upon?


All beings want to be free from suffering.

edearl wrote:What can Buddhists agree upon?


When beings try to find happiness in things which are temporary,
the happiness they find will likewise be temporary.
When the causes of temporary happiness are exhausted, beings return to suffering.

Since the essential nature of the mind is enlightened
and this essential nature does not arise from temporary conditions,
If you want to be perfectly free from suffering,
realize the essential nature of the mind.
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Re: Can We Agree on Anything?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:45 pm

edearl wrote:What can Buddhists agree upon?
The first noble Truth?
"When one is not in accord with the true view
Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: Can We Agree on Anything?

Postby edearl » Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:34 pm

Madeliaette wrote:... the majority of humans have a pair of feet at the bottom and a head on top....

This statement appears to have two parts. 1) head and feet, and 2) up and down
However, up and down are relative to one's location on the earth, and someone in zero gravity does not experience either up or down. Thus, I infer that belief in up and down implies that everyone believes in gravity.

EDIT: I'm led to believe there are people who believe in both a Flat Earth and hollow Earth. See: http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/ and http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm. I'm unsure what they believe about gravity/up-and-down.
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Re: What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby edearl » Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:46 pm

edearl wrote:Is there anything that everyone in the world can agree upon?

What can Buddhists agree upon?

EDIT: maybe a better question. I am interested in the things that are common to Buddhism. The introduction to Buddhism that someone said I should read contains things I can understand and agree upon. See: http://www.buddhanet.net/e-learning/intro_bud.htm. However, some of the Hindu and other religious beliefs that some people seem to say are intrinsic to Buddhism, are difficult for me to understand and believe.
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Re: What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby Thug4lyfe » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:33 pm

That the Buddha is right.
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Re: What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby edearl » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:38 pm

Food_Eatah wrote:That the Buddha is right.


Since the Buddha wrote nothing, exactly what did he teach?
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Re: What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby Kyosan » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:30 pm

edearl wrote:What can Buddhists agree upon?

How about?
"There is suffering in life"
"Through Buddhism, one can extinguish or at least reduce suffering"
"The fundamental nature of all things is emptiness" (but we don't all have the same idea what emptiness means)
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Re: Can We Agree on Anything?

Postby Kyosan » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:36 pm

edearl wrote:
Madeliaette wrote:... the majority of humans have a pair of feet at the bottom and a head on top....

This statement appears to have two parts. 1) head and feet, and 2) up and down
However, up and down are relative to one's location on the earth, and someone in zero gravity does not experience either up or down. Thus, I infer that belief in up and down implies that everyone believes in gravity.

EDIT: I'm led to believe there are people who believe in both a Flat Earth and hollow Earth. See: http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/ and http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/morrow.htm. I'm unsure what they believe about gravity/up-and-down.

How about?
"the majority of humans have a pair of feet on one side and a head on the opposite side" :lol:
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Re: What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby Paul » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:49 pm

This is a very good examination of the topic: http://www.amazon.com/What-Makes-You-No ... 1590304063


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All that you take pleasure in will strengthen the awakened state.
With such a confidence, empowered by the regal state of natural mind,
The training now is simply this: lets your six senses be at ease and free." - Princess Parani
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Re: What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby edearl » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:13 pm


Thanks!
HHDL: "My confidence in venturing into science lies in my basic belief that as in science so in Buddhism, understanding the nature of reality is pursued by means of critical investigation: if scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims."
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Re: What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby Thug4lyfe » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:03 am

edearl wrote:
Food_Eatah wrote:That the Buddha is right.


Since the Buddha wrote nothing, exactly what did he teach?

Do not commit unwholesome deeds
commit all wholesome deeds
purify your mind
these are the teachings of all buddhas.
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Re: What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby Jikan » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:24 pm

Food_Eatah wrote:Do not commit unwholesome deeds
commit all wholesome deeds
purify your mind
these are the teachings of all buddhas.


Well Spoken! :twothumbsup:
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Re: What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby Dechen Norbu » Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:45 pm

The problem comes when we start debating what is wholesome, what is not and what is in fact a purified mind... :lol:
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Re: What Can We Agree Upon?

Postby Thug4lyfe » Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:15 pm

Dechen Norbu wrote:The problem comes when we start debating what is wholesome, what is not and what is in fact a purified mind... :lol:

2500 years ago we have the same problem in India, where there are philosphers, Brahmans and sages everyone claiming whats the way to liberation.

The Buddha made it simple for everyone by perscribing the medicine called the 5 precepts. It's only complicated because people's 5 poisons are trying to make them debate away the requirement of these precepts.
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