gregkavarnos wrote:So being a Buddha and knowing the direct workings of karma lead you to this deduction? Fools rush in where angels fear to tread!
gregkavarnos wrote:Can I call you a fool then? Pretty please!
gregkavarnos wrote:You could kill yourself, for my benefit, if you don't "exist" then I can't create the negative karma of calling you a fool (wrong speech).
PS To all the "smart" people out there: Did I happen to mention that I too am a fool? At least I am not deluded on that point!
gregkavarnos wrote:Let me throw another hypothetical spanner into the works:
Given we are not omniscient and cannot fully comprehend the workings of every karma (action), how can we know, with 100% certainty, that the "mad bomber" is not a bodhisattva in disguise who through his action (skillful means) will avert a tonne of negative karma that would have been produced by the "innocents" that are about to be blown into a zillion pieces?
That's why the Buddha preached the Noble Eighfold Path and put abstainence from taking life as the first right action. You don't want to trust/believe what I say then trust/believe what the Buddha says.
kirtu wrote:It's never ok to kill. But there may be no good alternative choices. You are positing Shakyamuni Buddha's choice as a ferryman in a previous lifetime.
This is only true if we are capable of directly seeing the results of all karma, which we cannot. This means that, in all likelihood, our action will cause more karma vipakka rather than reduce it. We are incapable of choosing the best breakfast cereals for our needs, how can we be capable of picking who should live and who should die (ie playing God)?DarwidHalim wrote:kirtu wrote:It's never ok to kill. But there may be no good alternative choices. You are positing Shakyamuni Buddha's choice as a ferryman in a previous lifetime.
We need a clear understanding that result of karma actually come from the action side or the motivation side. If we see it is then clear that result of karma (action) comes from motivation or intention side. The action itself is neutral, not good and not bad.
Killing with the motivation to help others and save the killer from his heavy karma is considered virtuous in boddhisattva way.
This happens in previous Buddha life when he kill someone on the ship.
The key to understand this lies on the result of karma is based on action or intention (motivation).
Irrelevant comparison. It is one thing to stop and help a wounded child and another thing to kill wsomebody because you think/believe it will somehow reduce karma vipakka. Two completely different circumstances.DarwidHalim wrote:Do you see the recent big news in china where a child was hit by a car and there are 20 people passing by ignoring the child?
Doing nothing is fine. But as a boddhisattva, we need to act based on our best ability and understanding at that moment to help others. If we need to kill and we know motivation is the governing factor, in my opinion we should act.
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