tobes wrote:alwayson wrote:Karma Dondrup Tashi wrote:Dude you need to relax then maybe you'd be more persuasive.
It is a fact that these European debt crisises, in general, were caused by their socialistic governmental policies.
Actually, that is the biggest load of propaganda I've encountered in my whole lifetime. And my life has unfolded in the age of spin.
The sovereign debt crisis in Europe occurred because sovereignty bailed out the toxic private debts of investment banks. Most of these toxic debts were........well, they were not in Europe. Why don't you start your causal chain of **facts** from 2007/8?
You talk about 'what's stalling the recovery' without reference to what caused the crisis. And then you impute a different cause from the deep recesses of ideological lunacy.
German chancellor blasts Greek retirement age and vacation:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 94,00.html
"Greek governments have, among other things, customarily run large deficits to finance public sector jobs, pensions, and other social benefits"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_s ... sis#Causes
"For more than a generation, Greece has been lax over its spending, paying out salaries on the government dime, with huge holiday bonuses. Many employees were paid as though they'd worked a 14-month year, instead of 12. That extra money gave many Greeks a road to early retirement, for some even in their 50s. "
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/greeks-streets ... d=10567233
This is common knowledge among everyone in the world......I guess except you.
tobes wrote:Deep ecology is an interesting one. I'm not convinced that a Buddhist ontology naturally leads in that direction....usually there is a Spinozist kind of monism underpinning deep ecology, and/or a German romanticism which reifies "nature" to be God's playground.
I think maybe in some of the East Asian Buddhisms, where there are Taoist influences coupled with Buddha Nature extended into the phenomenal world, a deep ecology could be defended. And I suppose within the context of Tibetan Buddhism, the kinship between humans, spirits and environment involves a very delicate interdependence. So I suppose that is where the idea is coming from.
But I'm not sure about the Indian traditions per se. The natural world is considered conditioned like everything else. Impermanent, something to be liberated from. There is no metaphysical reason to privilege the natural or biological world ahead of the world of production and social relation. There are all imbued with the same ontology.
And actually, I quite like EF Schumacher's argument: a Buddhist inspired economics would begin by an ethical consideration of what is really valuable for humans. Production is important because, not only do we need to eat, but if it is structured ethically, it offers the possibility of kusala activity.
I think maybe deep ecology devalues production too much. As far as I can see, the problem is not production per se, but how it is currently configured and what motivates it.
Honduran Farmers Slaughtered In Name Of Global Warming
23 farmers in Honduras were slaughtered in cold blood by hired mercenaries as they tried to protect their land from being seized by a corporation who wanted to use the land to produce biofuels as part of a United Nations-accredited EU carbon trading scheme.
“Protests erupted in July when six international human rights advocacy groups presented a report to the EP detailing what they called murders and forced evictions of peasants in El Bajo Aguán Valley of northern Honduras, ” reports the New American.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech-main ... edit-clash
the ebb and flow of the abiotic vs peak oil debate.
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