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Many lifetimes of paramita development needed to be aryan?

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Re: Many lifetimes of paramita development needed to be aryan?

Postby Wind » Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:30 am

Why don't we settle this debate by asking the Dhamma AC, a immortal robot that has been living since beginningless time collecting data of all world cycles that has come to pass.

Ok I'll ask: Dhamma AC, how many lifetimes of paramita development needed to achieve enlightenment?

Dhamma AC: "THERE IS AS YET INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR A MEANINGFUL ANSWER."




**this thread reminds me of the Last Question story** :D

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Re: Many lifetimes of paramita development needed to be aryan?

Postby Ben » Mon Mar 08, 2010 8:12 am

The burden of proof, pt1, is with the person who originally made the claim that one must accrue paramitas over a gargantuan period of time, to attain awakening. And that person is Virgo. And until Virgo backs up his claims with substantial references from the Tipitaka, our members have every right to demand evidence.
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"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
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Re: Many lifetimes of paramita development needed to be aryan?

Postby Guy » Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:09 am

Four types of letting go:

1) Giving; expecting nothing back in return
2) Throwing things away
3) Contentment; wanting to be here, not wanting to be anywhere else
4) "Teflon Mind"; having a mind which doesn't accumulate things

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Re: Many lifetimes of paramita development needed to be aryan?

Postby vinasp » Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:44 am

Hi everyone,

From: Steven Collins, Selfless Persons:

"If, then, nothing real or ultimate endures for the length of a lifetime, how long does what is real and ultimate endure?
The answer to this question is that all the real elements of a person endure only for a 'moment'." [page 233]

"In the ultimate sense, the life-moment of living beings is extremely short, being only as much as the occurrence of a single conscious moment." [page 234] [ note 34, page 301 - Vism. VIII.39].

"There is a reference here to the idea that each existent element lasts for one moment, itself composed of three sub-moments: arising, presence, and cessation." [page 234]

8.2. The 'ultimate' extent of a lifetime: momentariness

" Each 'real' and 'ultimate' element lasts for only a 'moment'. This idea became so fundamental to developed Buddhist thinking that Buddhism came to be referred to as ksanikavada, The Theory of Moments."[page 234]
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"Various attempts were made by the tradition to compute the actual temporal length of such moments : for example, that each day contains 86,400 seconds, which equal 6,449,099,980 moments - thus 1 / 74,642 of a second per moment. Frequently, the idea of a finger-snap is used to designate the smallest perceptible unit of time; and a finger-snap itself is said to contain sixty-four, or even billions of moments."[page 234]
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I make that 6,449,099,980 lifetimes per day, so if it will take you a year to become enlightened, just multiply by 365 to find the number of lifetimes required.

Best wishes, Vincent.

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