TheWay wrote:I was just wondering why it cost soooo much money in TB to go on retreats, attend workshops, etc.
I mean im in my early twentys and i don't have thousands of dollars to go on retreats or even hundreds to go to workshops.
im assuming the money is helping the tibetan crisis.or to further organisations etc.
but what about the poor guy who genuienly wants to learn but is broke because he has to support his family or pay his bills so people in his house won't suffer.
Is there a TB dharma center where a person can learn dharma free?
Honestly i would like to become ordained and not have to worry about finances etc and just get down to dharma....for the rest of my life.
TheWay wrote:...and not have to worry about finances etc...
Namdrol wrote:TheWay wrote:...and not have to worry about finances etc...
That is not going to happen.
Huseng wrote:Namdrol wrote:TheWay wrote:...and not have to worry about finances etc...
That is not going to happen.
It is possible if you ordain, though maybe this isn't the case in TB.
Namdrol wrote:Maybe in Chinese and Thervada Buddhism, it is possible, but not for westerners in TB. On the other side of that however, you lose a lot a freedom by ordaining in monastic scene where you are completely supported.
Huseng wrote:Namdrol wrote:Maybe in Chinese and Thervada Buddhism, it is possible, but not for westerners in TB. On the other side of that however, you lose a lot a freedom by ordaining in monastic scene where you are completely supported.
I think it depends largely on your connections and where you are. I know one westerner in Nepal who has the option of going into permanent lifelong retreat if he wants to, but then that's because of his connections and service. Very few would ever have that option, and I think you'd have to be in India or Nepal for it to ever happen.
Maybe there is also the unspoken expectation, too, that westerners are all wealthy, so they should pay more. In India even at government tourist sites you pay 100 rupees, the locals pay 5 rupees. The cost of tuition at the Rangjung Yeshe Institute is also much more than what locals pay, and as a foreigner you pay your tuition in US dollars, too.
Tell me if I'm wrong, but in TB in Asia, I think the cost of everything increases if you're a westerner? Perhaps speaking Tibetan puts you on the cost scale of a local because they don't need to use extra services to support you (like English speaking staff and so on).
TheWay wrote:Thank you PadmaVonSamba for your practical advice;
Let me just say im not trying to get "freebies" etc. or trying to become ordained so i don't have to pay; some learn some ways others learn other ways.
Im a 20 year old black guy who moved from the ghettos of newark new jersey to the run down housing projects in Atlanta.
not only am i below the normal poverty level...but way below.
no, im not some lazy ass who expects anybody to do anything for me.im in jobcorp trying to make life better for my mother and siblings.(my younger siblings have a strong drive for their education and goals)
I guess i read so much about monks going off into the forest or retreats; thats the way i thought it should be.Like the mahasiddhas of the past.
Namdrol wrote:Americans, Canadians, and Western Europeans have more money than locals, so they should pay more. Speaking Tibetan does not bring the costs down. AFAIK.
Namdrol wrote:I know a lot of broke western Tibetan Buddhist ordained folks. Some of them are quite pathetic, like hungary ghosts.
xylem wrote:simply put-- somebody has to pay. the costs are either passed onto the student, or a few members of the sangha hemorrhage money and absorb them.
international and/or domestic air travel. ground travel. costs applying for r1 visas and filing for 501(c)(3) status. room and board for the lama and entourage and translator. translator fees. costs in producing practice materials like sadhanas. advertisement. legal expenses. insurance. renting a venue, or the rent and upkeep of the dharma center. offerings and other materials for an empowerment or puja. donations to the lamas for their time. sometimes the lamas have special expenses like medical care, personal needs, phone cards, fedexing materials, etc.
all of that's on top of any projects or charities the lamas might have.
i've been on all ends of this. i've been turned away from teachings at the door because of money. i've also hemorrhaged money, both as a student as well as an individual supporting my center.
Huseng wrote:Namdrol wrote:Americans, Canadians, and Western Europeans have more money than locals, so they should pay more. Speaking Tibetan does not bring the costs down. AFAIK.
Funny my Indian friend said the same thing, and his yearly income is probably 25x more than mine.
TheWay wrote:ahh yes i guess i was being a bit naive, i thought i could just go to the Lama or Rinpoche, receive the teachings and go from there etc. i forgot about the extra stuff. I was just overwhelmed at the prices on some retreats i wanted to go to.
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