DMT

No holds barred discussion on the Buddhadharma. Argue about rebirth, karma, commentarial interpretations etc. Be nice to each other.

DMT

Postby Heruka » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:31 am

what do we think?
Heruka
 
Posts: 1069
Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:34 am

Re: DMT

Postby Adamantine » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:54 am

Heruka wrote:what do we think?


damages the subtle nerves, -not the way of the yogi.. a quick fix that doesn't last - -
certainly was useful for mundane siddhis related to tribal survival and natural communion.
Contentment is the ultimate wealth;
Detachment is the final happiness. ~Sri Saraha
User avatar
Adamantine
Global Moderator
 
Posts: 2680
Joined: Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:09 am

Re: DMT

Postby Sönam » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:15 am

Could be brought onto the path, disturb the normal winds circulation ... what is experimented is conditionned.

Sönam
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
Sönam
 
Posts: 1867
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:11 pm
Location: France

Re: DMT

Postby Malcolm » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:56 pm

Heruka wrote:what do we think?



It was fun, the one time I did it in 1978.
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://atikosha.org
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔

" The one who teaches the benefits of peace,
he is said to be a ṛṣī; the others are the opposite of him."

-- Uttaratantra
Malcolm
 
Posts: 10195
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am

Re: DMT

Postby xylem » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:42 pm

<deleted by board request>
Last edited by xylem on Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
xylem
 
Posts: 106
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:53 am

Re: DMT

Postby Jikan » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:21 pm

xylem wrote:
Heruka wrote:what do we think?


drugs have absolutely no place in the lives of buddhist practitioners.


:coffee:

I wouldn't go that far... caffeine is a performance-enhancing drug, you know.
Jikan
Site Admin
 
Posts: 4287
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:04 pm

Re: DMT

Postby Silent Bob » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:34 pm

xylem wrote:
Heruka wrote:what do we think?


drugs have absolutely no place in the lives of buddhist practitioners.


I don't know how useful I'd find them now, but I'm certain that if I'd never encountered psychedelics (including dmt) I'd never have been inspired to seek out a teacher and begin Dharma practice almost 40 years ago. This is not to be taken as an across-the-board recommendation: the world was a much different place in those days and for one thing, people's attitudes hadn't been shaped by decades of exposure to "War on Drugs" propaganda.
"All the sublime teachings, so profound--to throw away one and then grab yet another will not bear even a single fruit. Persevere, therefore, in simply one."
--Dudjom Rinpoche, "Nectar for the Hearts of Fortunate Disciples. Song No. 8"
Silent Bob
 
Posts: 238
Joined: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:12 am

Re: DMT

Postby AlexanderS » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:39 pm

I've never tried it, but would love to do so out of pure curiosity in the an appropiate setting.
AlexanderS
 
Posts: 284
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:58 am

Re: DMT

Postby xylem » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:46 pm

<deleted by someone's request>
Last edited by xylem on Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
xylem
 
Posts: 106
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:53 am

Re: DMT

Postby Sönam » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:47 pm

xylem wrote:
Heruka wrote:what do we think?


drugs have absolutely no place in the lives of buddhist practitioners.


Like your image ... is it realised under psychedelic substances?

Sönam
Last edited by Sönam on Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.
By understanding everything you perceive from the perspective of the view, you are freed from the constraints of philosophical beliefs.
By understanding that any and all mental activity is meditation, you are freed from arbitrary divisions between formal sessions and postmeditation activity.
- Longchen Rabjam -
Sönam
 
Posts: 1867
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:11 pm
Location: France

Re: DMT

Postby xylem » Mon Aug 22, 2011 4:50 pm

<deleted by a board request>
Last edited by xylem on Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
xylem
 
Posts: 106
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2011 4:53 am

Re: DMT

Postby conebeckham » Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:27 pm

I'm surprised....it's pretty rare.


Anyway, it's the same with all psychedelics...interesting, but in the long run, not really a solution.
May any merit generated by on-line discussion
Be dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.
User avatar
conebeckham
 
Posts: 2430
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA

Re: DMT

Postby Jikan » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:33 pm

conebeckham wrote:I'm surprised....it's pretty rare.


Anyway, it's the same with all psychedelics...interesting, but in the long run, not really a solution.


Not really so rare. You can find anything at Whole Foods these days (or the tourist equivalent)

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 31,00.html
Jikan
Site Admin
 
Posts: 4287
Joined: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:04 pm

Re: DMT

Postby conebeckham » Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:41 pm

Ah.....I see.
That's the "natural" stuff...not the stinky crystalline stuff that...well, nevermind.

BTW, if anyone of you hasn't seen the movie "Enter the Void," the first ten minutes or so of that flick may bring back some particularly intense memories.
May any merit generated by on-line discussion
Be dedicated to the Ultimate Benefit of All Sentient Beings.
User avatar
conebeckham
 
Posts: 2430
Joined: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:49 pm
Location: Bay Area, CA, USA

Re: DMT

Postby Heruka » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:18 am

double post.
Last edited by Heruka on Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
Heruka
 
Posts: 1069
Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:34 am

Re: DMT

Postby Heruka » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:21 am

Heruka wrote:from wikipedia.


Pineal gland


The pineal gland (also called the pineal body, epiphysis cerebri, epiphysis or the "third eye") is a small endocrine gland in the vertebrate brain. It produces the serotonin derivative melatonin, a hormone that affects the modulation of wake/sleep patterns and seasonal functions.[1][2] Its shape resembles a tiny pine cone (hence its name), and it is located near the centre of the brain, between the two hemispheres, tucked in a groove where the two rounded thalamic bodies join.




Several speculative and yet untested hypotheses suggest that endogenous DMT is produced in the human brain and is involved in certain psychological and neurological states. DMT is naturally occurring in small amounts in rat brain, human cerebrospinal fluid, and other tissues of humans and other mammals. It may play a role in mediating the visual effects of natural dreaming, and also near-death experiences, religious visions and other mystical states.[96] A biochemical mechanism for this was proposed by the medical researcher J. C. Callaway, who suggested in 1988 that DMT might be connected with visual dream phenomena: brain DMT levels would be periodically elevated to induce visual dreaming and possibly other natural states of mind.[97] However, these theories are unlikely as DMT has never been found in the human brain. A new hypothesis proposed is that in addition to being involved in altered states of consciousness, endogenous DMT may be involved in the creation of normal waking states of consciousness. It is proposed that DMT and other endogenous hallucinogens mediate their neurological abilities by acting as neurotransmitters at a sub class of the trace amine receptors; a group of receptors found in the CNS where DMT and other hallucinogens have been shown to have activity. Wallach further proposes that in this way waking consciousness can be thought of as a controlled psychedelic experience. It is when the control of these systems becomes loosened and their behavior no longer correlates with the external world that the altered states arise.[81]


Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the controversial hypothesis that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon. Several of his test subjects reported NDE-like audio or visual hallucinations. His explanation for this was the possible lack of panic involved in the clinical setting and possible dosage differences between those administered and those encountered in actual NDE cases. Several subjects also reported contact with 'other beings', alien like, insectoid or reptilian in nature, in highly advanced technological environments[11] where the subjects were 'carried', 'probed', 'tested', 'manipulated', 'dismembered', 'taught', 'loved' and even 'raped' by these 'beings' (one could note the strong similarities of these bodily tests/invasions in other psychedelic experiences throughout time, outlined in Graham Hancock's "Supernatural"[98]). Basing his reasoning on the unreferenced and unsupported statement that all the enzymatic material needed to produce DMT is found in the pineal gland (see evidence in mammals), and moreover in substantially greater concentrations than in any other part of the body, Strassman (,[11] p. 69) has speculated that DMT is made in the pineal gland. Currently there is no published reliable scientific evidence supporting this hypothesis and as such, it is merely a hypothesis.


Flouride calcification of Pineal gland

http://www.fluoridealert.org/fluoride-d ... index.aspx
Heruka
 
Posts: 1069
Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:34 am

Re: DMT

Postby deff » Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:36 am

not that i'm advocating its usage... but my one excursion with ayahuasca led to the most perfect state of being i've ever felt.. extremely blissful and quite remarkable :alien:

definitely not a long-term solution by any means though
deff
 
Posts: 142
Joined: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:23 pm

Re: DMT

Postby Malcolm » Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:25 am

xylem wrote:it's one thing to engaged in a variety of activities as a "seeker". it's a different thing to engage in such activities after taking refuge and dedicating one's life to buddhist practice.


Oh, lighten up.
http://www.bhaisajya.net
http://atikosha.org
འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔

" The one who teaches the benefits of peace,
he is said to be a ṛṣī; the others are the opposite of him."

-- Uttaratantra
Malcolm
 
Posts: 10195
Joined: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:19 am

Re: DMT

Postby ground » Tue Aug 23, 2011 8:23 am

Ordinary people are simply seeking experience they can take delight in because being attached to delight is the thirst that binds them in samsara. What they call "enlightenment" is simply fabricated by this thirst for delight.


Kind regards
User avatar
ground
 
Posts: 1782
Joined: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:31 am

Re: DMT

Postby muni » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:38 am

Chemistry.
Then not to speak of how all created idea-habits appear in thoughts grasping to thoughts. Thought-worlds, all in control.
muni
 
Posts: 2735
Joined: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:59 am

Next

Return to Open Dharma

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Alfredo, asunthatneversets, gad rgyangs, hop.pala, LolCat, yan kong and 19 guests

>