ronnewmexico wrote:I don't know....ones embracing the teachings as a whole is not necessarily anothers. And who qualifies we must....there are many schools and variants to this thing, so I say which whole.
Compassion....a good thing that as action provides good result or karmic effect. Actually perhaps little known as a tantra of sorts.
It produces happiness in a conventional sense..for humans this is the way to happiness. As end in itself...if so those most giving would find liberation...seems not.
I personally provided five years of giving in the form of compassionate work for nothing in various volunteer settings. Did I actually help anyone..probably not, a little, here and there not much. I did establish to my opinion the karmic basis from which I may meditate. Not to say I am a accomplished meditator or any of that...but if that groundwork was not provided what little I have would not have been done in that regard.
So for me it serves specific purpose but I don't find to many approach it in that context.
I continue in a limited fashion this, and help informally if I may. Directed to this thing, I say with caution....we really cannot help very much.
A bit perhaps that is about it for normal folk. To be in a situation one can help effectively very much speaks to my opinion of a past lifetime or many of good karmic effect....really most of us are not that. WE can change the tide in this thing very gradually and slowly. REally meditation is more effective in that. WE know and understand we can help more.
But to meditate we must provide the ground of meditation which is compassionate action, even if ineffective.
Give we give what we can,that's the most we can.
Better karma better opportunity we give more, we have more...seems simple, and not really a big deal. The meditation to my opinion is the thing.
Or we continue to go up and down.
So those are some of my thoughts on this.
To add...my main giving at this time and place..singing empty songs of mantra to demons and other things of spirit that have no exposure to this thing. Perhaps they like it, none do this I'd guess. And humans in this day and time...their karma to my opinion it is like concrete weighing them down. Not much can happen there.
A bit of a hazard there but whose to care..it may help them.
.Is that someones buddhism embraced in whole..I'd guess not... few if any do it, nor does any school instruct it, seemingly. If they did it would probably be quite secret and me not qualified . Quite mad they may say I.. So I do not embrace buddhism in whole. I embrace my practice in whole.
And give that way. I sing to cows as well and deer and other things...I care not, some seem to like it. Some not....
So those are some of my thoughts added.
It is quite cool now and dark and windy and with storm nearby,lightening in the sky....as they are as they are.....I will now sing to them..they like things like this, storms like this.... they will be there. I will sing very loud and clear, my secret revealed..I do this thing. And as you read this perhaps know someone is doing this thing and cares not if he is following buddhism as a whole. He does this thing, now he is.
Giving in his way.
ronnewmexico wrote:Truth is you can't give or help without helping yourself. So whatever conception you may have on intending things if you really see things as they are there is no possible way you can help another without helping yourself.
So we should intend differently send that understanding from our mind and try to only help others and then not consequently ourselves....that is impossible and if we are to disregard the facts of this issue we are blanketing or surpressing what we know. That is always a negative.
So why lie about it...we cannot just help others. So naturally we always knowing that...intend to help ourselves and others. It can't be any other way.
I can't change the reality of things to fit someones conceptual notions of bodhisattva.
Giving alone is not enought to cultivate the mind. ACtually cultivating the mind must also be endeavored, or we be but christians.
WE must also pursue meditative means.
In our daily lives as small people, we can envision great great things, really the most all like us may do is, as we are quite small,... what we can.
To make a big deal of it and say we must be HHDL or someone give all our bodies away to robbers and all our money to the poor...that is unrealistic.
We can't do such things and continue at all on the spiritual path.
I have done such things at a much younger age having no money at all and depending upon a handout to get my next meal...it is OK but not particularly conducive to spiritual practice. More conducive is we live simply and try to get by... helping when we may. We are not born into the circumstance of HHDL, we may not be him nor necessarily do his things. If opportunity presents to do great things..of course we should do them. but realistically they probably will not.
Understanding is compassion by my take..it always is and can't be seperate. So if you see yourself becoming noncompassionate it means your understanding is becoming lesser. If more compassionate your understanding is getting greater...it is that simple.
To make a big deal about it....oh I will do great things I will rebirth for eternity to help others....no offense but that works to reduce conception of self but really...we are not in that circumstance. Most likely when our minds energies are chasing us through the bardo..... like about all others, we will be running away to human rebirth as refuge from those things of us(the energies) not because we want to altruistically help others, because we are frightened with the complete implication of no self.
So I can see great vow as means to eradication of self.....really other than as great vow it is not the real.
I can't drive away what I know....it is that one cannot help another without helping oneself....that is as things are.
The karmic effect of helping another rebounds in form by helping you...that is fact.
If you don't understand that....well certainly I agree then we must work at understanding that by any means...it is most important being human to know that as it leads to human happiness...the karmic effect of helping is human happiness always..it is as humans are.
Is in the end simply understanding enough and not doing anything by self intention then enough....more and more I think so.
The circumstance of giving will then present... nothing needs to be forced. The circumstance of giving may then be as simple as taking a breath that is not breathed by you but by other......as it as well must be that thing. The vision we may see with our eyes then becomes the eyes visions by other....and remarkable things we may see, though it is not us seeing them but other.
So in such things we cannnot but be other and as other is all compassionate so we are. But no action is required only response to what is given by other.
That will rub off...it is that simple. So me personally I take no vow..it cannot be otherwise I need to take that thing. All is that vow..completely understood.
Tell me it is not....I tell you firmly no....You are wrong. You are of course entitled to your own opinion...that is mine...requested,it is provided.
Yes it may seem strange, this small person with small practice in a place of nowhere special states this thing....a perfect act of compassion may be simply taking a breath that is not breathed by me....so I may be perfectly compassionate and thusly great in my fashion with compassion.
You follow your practice that is mine..more and more I realize it....nothing it is to you but breathing. Good I say you think that thing....it cannot be sold nor bought this thing nor aspired to nor renounced...it is what we are, and nothing more...no more compassionate can I be than what I be. As compassionate as everything is can I be no more nor less. So I will be.. and am. breathing... being breathed by other....feel it.... you may, eventually all may.
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