Sherab Dorje wrote:
TheSpirit wrote:I think you are rather the naive one beyond imagination. Yes Gun was created to shoot. Does it has to kill? Yes it can. You can also shoot a guy legs off and then immobilize him without killing.
When was the last time you shot the legs off a sentient being?
Here is (Warning: graphic and distrubing images
) a link
to a simple google search with pictures of people with non-fatal (and some fatal) gun shot wounds.
So, while perusing the photos, ask yourself: Would I want somebody to inflict that sort of suffering on me? I think the answer will be pretty obvious.
Then ask yourself: Given that other sentient beings suffer as I do, why would I want to inflict that sort of suffering on them?
If the answer to that question is: "To save my own ass (or the ass of those I am attached to) at the cost of theirs", then the doctors diagnosis is that you are suffering from self centred grasping.
Look up Tonglen and Lojong techniques, they are a must for "non-sensical Buddha wannabes".
Do you have trouble grasping what I am saying? Are you seriously saying that if there is an intruder that could very much cause harm or kill your loved one such as your own children and parents, you shouldn't do anything about it in the name of compassion?
You obviously not grasping what I am saying with
why would I want to inflict that sort of suffering on them?
Are you even reading what I said at all or are you just pick out random phrases to attack?
No I dont want to inflict pain on anybody. I do not go around killing and hurting innocent people. I do not go around swing my guns threatening random people and or my neighbors. I repeated that over and over again but it seems like you are just not registering it. How hard is it to understand such concept? I do not want to hurt anybody unless I have to in order to defend and protect my family/loved one which are completely innocent. My guns stay home and stay hidden, out of sight always unless I go to gunrange for target practicing. What make you think I want to inflict pain on anybody?
Nobody shed me compassion if the intruder raped or kill my family, rob and kill my parents? My grandmother who was 87 just recently got beaten up robbed and and got her skull damaged, she passed away in a coma. Did they have compassion for her when they do that? Did my grandmother go around threatening people? No. Do you even have loved one that you can imagine being harmed in such way? If you do and you have no shed of feeling for it then this conversation needs to end.
There is such thing as wise and reasonable compassion and dumb/ignorant compassion. And just because I want to protect those that are closed to me when being threaten doesn't mean I am not compassionate. I sympathize with those who suffers. I am active in various organizations aiding communities and people worldwide for all sort of reasons to lessen their suffering.Just as right now I am running a project of collecting winter clothes for homeless and family with financial problem living in poverty that they can't afford warm clothes or maybe gifts for their children for the holiday. However don't expect me to have compassion when you are a direct risk to my family. Most gun owners also know that having a gun is enough to chase off unarmed intruder, however if they are armed, then it can save your lives and your family lives.
That is like saying a police officer shouldn't shoot a terrorist because he/she doesn't want pain inflicted on him so he/she wont inflicts pain on someone who is obviously a great risk or is harming others.
I think it is very clear here that our values are very different. How we perceive the teaching is also different so I'm done discussing this with you because we are going in circle. I repeated myself too many times.