Physical Immortality Possible Through Dependent Origination?

[Enochian]

Is Physical Immortality possible through Dependent Origination (buddhism)?

Any ancient accounts?

Not talking about rainbow body or other serious accomplishments.

[Malcolm]

Is Physical Immortality possible through Dependent Origination (buddhism)?

Any ancient accounts?

Not talking about rainbow body or other serious accomplishments.

Nope. All that is born must die.

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[Enochian]

What about Nagarjuna's alchemy?

[ronnewmexico]

No I don't think so.This body is a karmic result within its consideration of birth is death. As we are born we necessariy die, as part of the equation of this realm we have unconsciously chosen. WE are composite and subject to change. Immortality is differing than physical immortality.

In another form. Certain causes put us here now. If we could produce forms which equalize I suspect personally such could be considered immortal.
Such as the continum of mind conventionally considered immortal. It always presents as continum. Whatever the particular cause that initiates its presentation it always presents as a continum, extending from a past cause.

RElated perhaps is a goddess in HIndu who presents in dreams to give those sleeping a glimpse of things. As merit put her in a position as goddess, she continues in merit by acting suchly in every fashion. So equiilizing of a sort, perhaps she then is conventionally immortal.

[Malcolm]

What about Nagarjuna's alchemy?

You met any immortals?

[ronnewmexico]

The second question may be...why would anyone want to?

WE are all with continum of consciousness perceived eternal anyway.
I knew people that worked at a job in which they could retire with pension. One stayed longer than all the others. Once I asked him when he did retire...why?
He said well...I saw all the others gone I felt odd. Started to feel odd.
Some work to 99 I suppose and die a month or two after stopping working...to me they seem quite dull.

Extending life for some spiritual practice say to complete a particular tantric practice....sure I could see that.
Dedicate ones life to the spiritual and I expect once life will be extended certainly.
When one was to die by karmic predisposition may be the question in determining how long ones life is or was extended.

Suffering is pervasive and more than in just the dying part.
WE live human we kill, and all the rest it is a rather gross existance.

Extending life through means, for particular purpose, we can as well do that with diet and exercise, I suspect other means of mind may be employed as well...but eternal immortal...that is not possible in this form of human,it is quite gross and unsophisticated.

All this talk about the preciousness of being human is a bit mistaken if applied in other contexts.
Human is gross and hurting just by existing. They for instance stink. We don't notice it as we all do...but they literally retching stink.
Others form if one wanted to sustain would be much more pleasing.

Oh...we could help so many being eternal....crap. AS human our chances of actually helping someone are few and far inbetween.
Other form as realized may be more conducive to that. All Ashoka great deeds as ruler were destroyed by his son when he assumed rule.
Such is human.

Known as great immortal...she must know something she is immortal...crap. They would build monuments of stone to you and not hear a word you said, even when accompanied by miraculous deeds. All you did or said would be personalized by them...all for naught. It would be better if they never knew you were.

[Enochian]

The second question may be...why would anyone want to?

More time to practice, meditate etc.

[Indrajala]

Is Physical Immortality possible through Dependent Origination (buddhism)?

Any ancient accounts?

Not talking about rainbow body or other serious accomplishments.

Arhats can extend their lifespans, though this isn't presumably forever.

See the following:

https://sites.google.com/site/dharmadep ... -longevity

[Enochian]

I would easily make a deal with an extraterrestrial to become immortal.

I am serious.

[Indrajala]

I would easily make a deal with an extraterrestrial to become immortal.

I am serious.

If you meet one tell them to pay me a visit, too.

[Enochian]

I would easily make a deal with an extraterrestrial to become immortal.

I am serious.

If you meet one tell them to pay me a visit, too.

I wish there was a standard methodology on how to become a "contactee".

Maybe there is.

[Enochian]

I didn't phrase this thread right.

I should have asked is there any way to expand youthful lifespan to say about 400 years?

[Indrajala]

I didn't phrase this thread right.

I should have asked is there any way to expand youthful lifespan to say about 400 years?

Well according to the Abhidharma-kosa if you can master the fourth dhyana and covert bhoga-vipaka to ayurvipaka, then you can live an extended lifespan.

[Enochian]

I didn't phrase this thread right.

I should have asked is there any way to expand youthful lifespan to say about 400 years?

Well according to the Abhidharma-kosa if you can master the fourth dhyana and covert bhoga-vipaka to ayurvipaka, then you can live an extended lifespan.

By that logic, kumbhaka should work too, since kumbhaka>>>dhyana.

[Malcolm]

I didn't phrase this thread right.

I should have asked is there any way to expand youthful lifespan to say about 400 years?

Well according to the Abhidharma-kosa if you can master the fourth dhyana and covert bhoga-vipaka to ayurvipaka, then you can live an extended lifespan.

By that logic, kumbhaka should work too, since kumbhaka>>>dhyana.

Nope, works an a different theory -- arrest the karmic vāyus, one interrupts the process of karma, etc.

[Enochian]

Nope, works an a different theory -- arrest the karmic vāyus, one interrupts the process of karma, etc.

I understand this I think.

But what is dhyana from the Tibetan Medicine standpoint?

Is dhyana just "shaping" the mind wind or something?

[ronnewmexico]

To extend ones life for spiritual purpose, such as meditation time....few of us really spend more than a hour or two meditating a day, or such really straightly derected for spiritual purpose.

If one wanted to in that context, one could extend ones lifetime, sleeping but 3 hours a day eating one meal....probably about about 4 times or 400 years if one was to live to be 100. If one was a Milarepa or something close. But I expect none of us here are that.

Spiritual means do seemingly exist to extend ones life. I think there are means of the mind, we can utilize as tools...what you call them or how they exactly operate, what does it matter. Give your mind a rest from active thoughts once in a while and I think you are healthier and perhaps as consequence your life is extended a bit. That could be a example of a means.
Compassionate action, that could be another means to this end.

I think As a youthful human...youthful appearing...I'd say no, that is a fantasy for hollywood.
A grossly distorted appearing thing is what I have heard of and expect would occur. A sharp mind as that is the only necessity for consideration of the spiritual not a youthful appearence. Such a appearence is all ego and as such not sustainable in this fashion to my opinion.

How would someone appear living in a confined cage of sorts, cave, or somesuch, no light no exercise(such a being is beyond prostrations) sitting in meditational posture for years till the legs become stuck in such a position, wasted away, big ugly callluses on their bottoms.....quite ugly that would appear. The mind would be quite beutiful the appearence quite revolting.

ONly in hollywood to my opinion.
Means I think they exist, and have rumor heard of some.

[platypus]

There are a few immortal animals.

[Malcolm]

There are a few immortal animals.

Only jellyfish. And no one is sure they are even sentient.

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[ronnewmexico]

When the world ends....and it will the jellyfish go with it.