ClearblueSky wrote:Factory farming is still much, much crueler to animals. By a lot. And if you want to bring up the environment, there is no comparison. Factory farming of cows is the number one cause of global warming. 15% of global warming is due to it, that's more than all the cars on earth.
And I still don't get that logic. Just because it's happening anyway, doesn't mean we have to participate. Sorry to keep referencing my previous post, but I only see how that works if people apply the same to other industries:
There was a point in time where slavery was thought to be inevitable and worldwide. Do you think the people had no karmic consequences if they bought slaves that were already captured, not by their request?
What about with the recent revealing of Seaworld's cruelty. If someone knows what they do to those whales, but still pays seaworld money to go watch them, is that okay because they have the assumption it won't ever change?
If someone explains that those are the same as eating meat, then I would understand. It's really only the separation, people saying one is okay karmically and not the other that I still don't really understand.
I'll tell ya what, once you start buying all your clothes for non-sweatshop sources, stop paying taxes that support huge atrocities, stop participating in the economy at all (since by definition some part of your participation goes to said atrocities), and grow every bit of your own food i'll buy the argument that your non-participation in meat eating is somehow equivalent to fighting slavery (LOL btw), because then it will be consistent with the rest of your lifestyle.
As far as slavery, people sacrificed themselves to end that, and no i'm by no means just talking about civil war soldiers, and not just talking physically, people gave up whole lifetimes of comfort, social acceptance, and safety to fight slavery. It doesn't take anywhere near that kind of sacrifice to be a vegetarian or vegan in our insanely abundant society, where you can do any diet you want at pretty much any time. Don't play the social justice card as a vegetarian unless you are out actually doing something to change the world, your consumer choices mean jack and squat as far as that stuff goes, minor lifestyle changes aren't social action. That's why they call you a consumer, it's not a powerful position.
\There has to be a limit to what you think people's culpability is for indirect things or else your argument is utterly, purely, 100% absurd because living in samsara means some amount of indirect participation in terrible things, that is part of samsara
, you are picking and choosing what not to participate on based on ease, and acting like this one lifestyle decision carries a much bigger impact than it actually does.
* Mind, I fully respect the choice, and I consider it a meritorious thing to give up meat for your practice, I am sure there that on some level it means better Karma..then again what we are talking about here ventures into the realm of something like collective Karma when we discuss indirect, non-intentional connection to killing, and if you are so worried about that IMO there are way bigger fish to fry than meat eating..so to speak!
"Just as a lotus does not grow out of a well-levelled soil but from the mire, in the same way the awakening mind
is not born in the hearts of disciples in whom the moisture of attachment has dried up. It grows instead in the hearts of ordinary sentient beings who possess in full the fetters of bondage." -Se Chilbu Choki Gyaltsen