KeithBC wrote:Hanzze wrote:To be just vegetarian is a lie. ... If you grow your vegetables by your self, mindful, you will see there is still killing. If you know how vegetarian food is made, you will still see killing.
No it isn't a lie. It is merely dukkha. All vegetarians know that some killing is regrettably unavoidable in growing vegetables. This is not a big revelation. However, vegetarians also know that less killing is better than more killing. Less dukkha.
Perfection is only possible for buddhas. For the rest of us, we must strive for perfection but be satisfied with merely doing our best.
Om mani padme hum
Precepts are to train on them and not lie to one self. The are her to force you to look up the real reason. If you are taught to be a Bodhisattva when you are abstain from killing as much as possible in eating vegetable that you will have not much success, I guess. Most interpretations are older then our "modern" society" and many monks and teacher have no idea about our "modern" world. A Buddha wouldn't be able to teach in such a confused world. There is a gigantic food industry behind the most Mahayana Asian countries and you would not argue like this sitting next to a refrigerator, ii you would see how the forest and wildlife disappears in only 15 years for food production to export. To have money to buy a refrigerator to So there was also a second advice on food from the Buddha. Do not store it.
Foolishness and enlightenment do not compare and that has to be find out by train the precepts and not by adapting an other hidden lie.
I guess Mahayana monks traditional grow there food by them self, that is a very honest way and one can be careful and cause very less harming while be mindful. To drive with his car to the next alternative shop and buy the last hip bio veggies is more than sick and has no benefit for anyone. The beggar next to the hot dog store will make more good merits even he drinks some beer and lives from the sausages.
I guess to be honest to one self is the most important step to do in any kind of Buddhadhamma practices. There is one rule, if one thinks that he is right he can be sure that he is totally wrong
Seeing things as right and wrong is western...
So what do you think is the best, as long we are no Buddhas?
Don't take it personal, its only my lack of lovely speech, so pardon me if it to hard.