Simon E. wrote:Please feel free to concern yourself about what other chaps have for dinner if that interests you.
My sole interest in this debate is to ensure that it remains clear to those who may not know, that diet is very much a secondary issue in Buddhadharma
That is not true of all of the Buddhadharma. That is true of your view
of the BuddhaDharma. Diet is not a secondary issue to monks who's vows require
it. It's not a secondary issue at a temple where it's a violation of temple rules to even bring meat onto the premises.
and should never be seen as a bar to those who are exploring the teachings of the Buddha.
Of course, but no one has even suggested this to begin with.
There are schools that insist on a vegetarian diet.
There are schools that insist on meat eating on specific occasions.
And there are other schools which have nothing to say on the issue at all.
Which school one orients to is an entirely individual matter.
And what one chooses to eat is not an entirely individual matter.
Johnny Dangerous wrote:
There is a history in the US (for example) of people refusing to pay taxes to protest war. Of course it can get you in trouble, but that's the point..if you want to get on your high horse about lifestyle choices, you'd think it could at least be something that inconveniences you. You guys keep either missing or dodging the simple point i'm making:
Are you trying to say I am on a high horse simply because I speak in favor of vegetarianism? How is this not an ad hominum?
There are many other significant indirect ways that you contribute to killing which you're choosing to arbitrarily ignore in favor of vegetarianism/veganism.
This is completely false as well as unreasonable. So what else am I arbitrarily ignoring? Tell me what else I can reasonably do to stop contributing to killing. What are the many other significant ways that I am ignoring? Please suggest things that are actually reasonable to stop doing. And FWIW, I haven't actually paid taxes in several years. I get paid cash under the table and what the IRS does not know won't hurt them! But, you seem to know of all these other things that I do that I can reasonably stop doing. Please tell me what they are so I can stop doing them!
If you want to use the scriptural reasons for vegetarianism, I fully respect that, if you want to pretend you are somehow being more moral by making a choice that's made easier due to your living where you do though, it's a pretty weak claim.
The idea the people are pretending to be more moral is an idea that is coming only from you. And maybe that other guy, I don't know. I didn't bother to read his ramblings.
Some people do mind what others eat, because the effect of those choices go far beyond the individual person. And because someone is concerned about that, does not mean they are being impolite. The effects of one's food choices extends far beyond oneself and ones teacher!
No, it just means they have an absurd argument most of the time.
It's absurd to say that one choices extend beyond themselves? And that one should behave in a manner that causes the least harm? The idea that this is absurd, is itself absurd.