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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:53 pm 
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No, we will leave that unresolved. :smile:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 7:46 pm 
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So lets look at this wee meme for example.

" Things do not have to be true. They just have to be meaningful "

A small prize for the first person to

a ) Spot the ancient and rather creaky origin of this statement. And....
b ) To spot the inherent non sequitur embedded within it.

While you are engaged with that..it shouldn't take long..I am afraid I have an urgent matter to attend to.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:34 pm 
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Please stay on topic and refrain from personal remarks / ad hominem attacks. Thanks.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 9:55 pm 
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muni wrote:
Selfless love/Genuine Compassion is not an emotion.


Agreed - an important thing to understand, too.

Shel wrote:
There seems to be plenty of people who have the ability to think critically, yet don't seem terribly self-aware, or rather are easily influenced by things outside of their awareness.


That is also true. But 'critical philosophy' in Western thinking says that the role of philosophy is not to establish and demonstrate theories about reality - which is the role of science - but rather to critically review all theories. There are convergences between that kind of philosophy and Madhyamika.

Simon E wrote:
Things do not have to be true. They just have to be meaningful "

A small prize for the first person to

a ) Spot the ancient and rather creaky origin of this statement. And....
b ) To spot the inherent non sequitur embedded within it.


I think I know what you're getting at but would like to see your explanation.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 10:01 pm 
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shel wrote:
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Lindama wrote:
As far as I know, Buddhism does not ask "why do I think that way".


It absolutely does. In fact its so much an axiom I am baffled by your response.


You should understand, Lindama, that Simon is a strong proponent of meme theory. If what I understand is correct, he believes there are two fundamental memes within Buddhism, which are essentially the ātman meme (the alleged "everyday commonsense view of the world") and of course the anātman meme. The anātman meme is an anti-meme meme which cancels out the ātman meme.

Kinda makes sense, but, the fact that Buddhism is alive and well after millennia strongly suggest there might be a few holes in the theory. Just say'n. :tongue:



Perhaps you might care to post a link to anything I have said that supports the summation of my views that you give here.
The idea that there are ' two fundamental memes within Buddhism ' makes no sense at all.
And bears no relationship to anything I have said ..ever.
It also suggests a lack of understanding of meme theory.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:54 pm 
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Wayfarer wrote:
Shel wrote:
There seems to be plenty of people who have the ability to think critically, yet don't seem terribly self-aware, or rather are easily influenced by things outside of their awareness.


That is also true. But 'critical philosophy' in Western thinking says that the role of philosophy is not to establish and demonstrate theories about reality - which is the role of science - but rather to critically review all theories. There are convergences between that kind of philosophy and Madhyamika.

You mean like the critique of pure reason or whatever. I thought we were talking about self-awareness in this line of the discussion. I guess that is no longer important.


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