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moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

Postby Ben » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:40 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

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Re: moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:26 am

That is interesting!
I suppose a social gathering is a good way to let of steam in a productive way, and drink has been involved in social gatherings since 1923 at least ;)


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Re: moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

Postby AdvaitaJ » Sat Jun 27, 2009 12:44 am

I just put the occasional glass of red wine back on the menu. Reason #1 is my HDL cholesterol is below 40 and there's a study I thought reliable somewhere that states the occasional drink boosts HDL. I exercise a lot and watch what I eat. All the other cholesterol numbers are in the "good" range, but my HDL has remained low. Reason #2 is a recent study of Resveratrol, which originates in red grapes and is naturally concentrated in red wine. The study showed a reduction in the plaque-like substance that leads to dementia, etc in brain tissue.

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Re: moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

Postby Ben » Sat Jun 27, 2009 1:08 am

Hi AdvaitaJ

I think what the article is saying is some of those studies which linked moderate alcohol consumption to health benefits may not be as reliable as once thought.
Personally, I don't think anything could induce me to drink again.
Metta

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

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Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:36 am

Personally I think if a particular kind of alcohol is shown to aid a problem we are having, then it is a medicine with a side effect of intoxication which some medicines do have, one small glass used as one small glass not one large or two small glasses for health reasons then it is ok so long as it is used appropriately.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

Postby Thaibebop » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:12 pm

I've given up drinking completely. I don't need and it isn't healthy. I am much better for it too. After years of useing it I can't begin why anyone would want to. Now, if I could give up fat snacks and learn to work out. :juggling:

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Re: moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

Postby Ben » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:34 pm

Hi Mawk
I'm sorry to hear about the difficult family dynamic that you are caught in.
If you don't want to, there's nothing wrong with not disclosing your Buddhist faith to your family. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
Perhaps a way to justify your non-drinking is to cite the deleterious health effects of alcohol consumption and suggest that you don't want to compromise your health, especially at this point during your PhD. In the past I have also mentioned the catastrophic effects of drink-driving on the community. It was something that was easy for me to do having worked a number of years in Victoria's No. 1 road-trauma hospital but also because an older brother of mine inadvertently killed himself on the road after a drinking binge some years ago.
Another thing you could do, if you have a taste for high-drama, is to call a spade a spade and tell them that you are a Buddhist. It might provoke an interesting situation but at least it would be out in the open and they could accept it or not accept it. You're 25 now, so its probably about time that they accepted and respected you for who you are, not who they would like you to be.
In my own situation, I just tell people that I don't drink. Its not that unusual anymore so most of the time its no big deal. Sometimes I might get asked 'why' and I'll then tell them that I am a Buddhist. If its a problem for them, its their problem. The monkey stays on their back, not mine.
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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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Re: moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

Postby kc2dpt » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:04 pm

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Re: moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:28 am

Greetings,

Another interesting one...

Drinking almost halves dementia risk, according to new study
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/ ... 61,00.html

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Postby tiltbillings » Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:32 am

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Re: moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

Postby acinteyyo » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:58 am

Thag 1.20. Ajita - I do not fear death; nor do I long for life. I’ll lay down this body, aware and mindful.

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Re: moderate alcohol consumption and wellbeing - jury still out

Postby Moggalana » Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:59 am

Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.


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