How to cure doubt

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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby dharmagoat » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:24 am

How do you practice Buddha?
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:25 am

dharmagoat wrote:How do you practice Buddha?


I don't know. That's why I am here. :lol:
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby dharmagoat » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:32 am

LastLegend wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:How do you practice Buddha?

I don't know. That's why I am here. :lol:

You might be in for a disappointment...
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby smcj » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:33 am

LastLegend wrote:by meditation?

When do you stop practicing meditation?

I want to become Buddha not meditation. :rolling:

And I want to have muscles like Arnold Schwarzenneger but I don't want to work out. :rolling:
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby Lindama » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:36 am

Last,
how do you know the buddha does not have doubt? :stirthepot: would she leave anything out?
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:40 am

smcj wrote:
LastLegend wrote:by meditation?

When do you stop practicing meditation?

I want to become Buddha not meditation. :rolling:

And I want to have muscles like Arnold Schwarzenneger but I don't want to work out. :rolling:


I don't want muscles, and I don't want to work out.
I want to be Buddha, and I don't want to work out.

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dharmagoat wrote:How do you practice Buddha?

I don't know. That's why I am here. :lol:

You might be in for a disappointment...


I guess so.
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:51 am

Lindama wrote:Last,
how do you know the buddha does not have doubt? :stirthepot: would she leave anything out?


I don't know. :tongue:
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby dharmagoat » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:53 am

Maybe your confusion stems from having read this koan:

He [Ma-tsu] was residing in the monastery of Dembo-in where he sat constantly in meditation. The master, aware that he was a vessel of the Dharma, went to him and asked, “Virtuous one, for what purpose are you sitting in meditation?”

Tao-i answered: “I wish to become a Buddha.”

Thereupon the master picked up a tile and started rubbing it on a stone in front of the hermitage.

Tao-i asked: “What is the Master doing?”

The master replied: “I am polishing [this tile] to make a mirror.”

“How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile?” exclaimed Tao-i.

“And how can you make a Buddha by practicing zazen?” countered the master.

[Zen Buddhism: A History, Volume 1, 161-163]
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby Lindama » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:54 am

LastLegend wrote:
Lindama wrote:Last,
how do you know the buddha does not have doubt? :stirthepot: would she leave anything out?


I don't know. :tongue:


:namaste:
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby oushi » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:24 am

LastLegend wrote:Doubt is a disease. How to cure it?

Drop expectations.
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby smcj » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:45 am

I want to be Buddha, and I don't want to work...

So it seems. Don't worry, you're not alone.
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:52 am

dharmagoat wrote:Maybe your confusion stems from having read this koan:

He [Ma-tsu] was residing in the monastery of Dembo-in where he sat constantly in meditation. The master, aware that he was a vessel of the Dharma, went to him and asked, “Virtuous one, for what purpose are you sitting in meditation?”

Tao-i answered: “I wish to become a Buddha.”

Thereupon the master picked up a tile and started rubbing it on a stone in front of the hermitage.

Tao-i asked: “What is the Master doing?”

The master replied: “I am polishing [this tile] to make a mirror.”

“How can you make a mirror by polishing a tile?” exclaimed Tao-i.

“And how can you make a Buddha by practicing zazen?” countered the master.

[Zen Buddhism: A History, Volume 1, 161-163]


Maybe so.
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby LastLegend » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:55 am

smcj wrote:
I want to be Buddha, and I don't want to work...

So it seems. Don't worry, you're not alone.


I don't want to work hard.
I don't want to meditate until I die.

:mrgreen:
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby smcj » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:59 am

LastLegend wrote:
smcj wrote:
I want to be Buddha, and I don't want to work...

So it seems. Don't worry, you're not alone.


I don't want to work hard.
I don't want to meditate until I die.

:mrgreen:

Sounds like it's Dzogchen for you!
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby dharmagoat » Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:25 am

smcj wrote:Sounds like it's Dzogchen for you!

Whew! I am glad that's sorted.

Now run along young Legend and find some nice Dzogchenpas to talk to.
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby Ayu » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:48 am

LastLegend wrote:I don't want to work hard.
I don't want to meditate until I die.

Maybe due to lacking language skills I don't understand your point. You're only joking a little bit? In fact you don't have any doubts?

1) Meditation is no hard work. It is the compensation of hard work the brain does all the time. It is the only time of rest during the day.
2) Then you'll start to meditate as soon as you die? :meditate:
3) You can do meditation in just one moment. No work at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfetFVePqWo
Because, if our mothers, who have been kind to us
From beginningless time, are suffering,
What can we do with (just) our own happiness?
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby dharmagoat » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:51 am

Ayu wrote:1) Meditation is no hard work. It is the compensation of hard work the brain does all the time. It is the only time of rest during the day.

Crikey, I wish I lived in your brain.

Here am I sweating white beads in meditation.
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby theanarchist » Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:51 am

LastLegend wrote:Doubt is a disease. :



Nope, doubt is not a disease. Doubt is very valuable.

Just imagine you got yourself into Scientology and then because you develop doubts you manage to get out of it. Here the doubt is a very good thing, isn't it? If you don't doubts you become guillable.

Just when doubt becomes an unrealistic, destructive obsession it's a problem.
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby Ayu » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:00 pm

dharmagoat wrote:
Ayu wrote:1) Meditation is no hard work. It is the compensation of hard work the brain does all the time. It is the only time of rest during the day.

Crikey, I wish I lived in your brain.

Here am I sweating white beads in meditation.

:tongue: Please live in your own brain. Would be better for us two. :heart:

What are you sweating about? Carrying tons of mantras upstairs?
Because, if our mothers, who have been kind to us
From beginningless time, are suffering,
What can we do with (just) our own happiness?
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Re: How to cure doubt

Postby dharmagoat » Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:05 pm

Ayu wrote:
dharmagoat wrote:
Ayu wrote:1) Meditation is no hard work. It is the compensation of hard work the brain does all the time. It is the only time of rest during the day.

Crikey, I wish I lived in your brain.

Here am I sweating white beads in meditation.

:tongue: Please live in your own brain. Would be better for us two. :heart:

What are you sweating about? Carrying tons of mantras upstairs?

It's a Zen thing:

You no sooner attain the great void
Than body and mind are lost together.
Heaven and Hell—a straw.
The Buddha-realm, Pandemonium—shambles.
Listen: a nightingale strains her voice, serenading the snow.
Look: a tortoise wearing a sword climbs the lampstand.
Should you desire the great tranquillity,
Prepare to sweat white beads.

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