is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a soul

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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby smcj » Wed Dec 25, 2013 8:50 pm

hop.pala wrote:Nonon.Alaya vijnana is no unaware.Alaya vijnana is impotant basic for dead person.

English isn't your first language, is it?
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:00 pm

alaya vijnana is no unaware ok?So mean are you think only you are in the earth aware but the alaya vijnana not hahahaha.
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby smcj » Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:10 pm

hop.pala wrote:alaya vijnana is no unaware ok?

Well I don't speak Sanskrit, but that's what I've been led to believe. "Unawareness" used in this context means mind does not know its own true nature.

So mean are you think only you are in the earth aware but the alaya vijnana not hahahaha.

Uh, no. You really need to do some more reading other threads about this.
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:10 pm

Johnny Dangerous wrote:
hop.pala wrote:The unborn Buddhadatu can not be born as self,but the alaya vijnana can be,but because it is dependent originated no self.(too)"

Only the unborn can be free the dependent originated can only stop and no more.



Buddhism definitely denies an unchanging, static self or essence that is somehow "unique" to the individual..which is what most people mean by "soul". Everything else is rangtong vs. shentong basically, near as I can tell.

Again I really encourage reading the threads I posted, they are pretty informative.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtl-MmRg3Gk

excuse xd
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:24 pm

"English isn't your first language, is it?"

it is my language xd
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 9:42 pm

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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:51 pm

Ok i say the unborn can be freed the dependent originated only go to end.And when moderator want deabate from this my opinion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umEfEyBqae0
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:56 pm

And smjc say no more that alaya vijnana is not aware,because are you state that are you not in aware,beause mind und body the only thing that separate you from alaya vijnana.So not think that your body conscious.
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:57 pm

When body not conscious can be the alaya vijnana consious be.
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 10:59 pm

so i say alaya vijnana is consicous.
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:02 pm

shegton vs self
mind vs xddddd
i say it:
"The unborn Buddhadatu can not be born as self,but the alaya vijnana can be,but because it is dependent originated no self.(too)"
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:02 pm

No vs what is this madnes?
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:05 pm

vs vs
?
Existenz only in mind.
In the nature is harmony and not vs.
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:24 pm

o true self exist,seng or rangtong debate exist?
Exist the debatte?

"No. 56.
One who conceives of the mirage-like world
That it does or does not exist
Is consequently ignorant.
When there is ignorance, one is not liberated. "

Nagarjuna
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:38 pm

hop.pala wrote:o true self exist,seng or rangtong debate exist?
Exist the debatte?

"No. 56.
One who conceives of the mirage-like world
That it does or does not exist
Is consequently ignorant.
When there is ignorance, one is not liberated. "

Nagarjuna



The debate exists conventionally, via the understanding of the two truths:

viewtopic.php?f=66&t=15056&view=unread#unread

"Without a foundation in the conventional truth the significance of the ultimate cannot be taught. Without understanding the significance of the ultimate, liberation is not achieved"

Again, read the previous threads!!
"Just as a lotus does not grow out of a well-levelled soil but from the mire, in the same way the awakening mind
is not born in the hearts of disciples in whom the moisture of attachment has dried up. It grows instead in the hearts of ordinary sentient beings who possess in full the fetters of bondage." -Se Chilbu Choki Gyaltsen
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:40 pm

ok ty for :thumbsup: link

But i dont think that debate exist...
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:45 pm

hop.pala wrote:ok ty for :thumbsup: link

But i dont think that debate exist...



Your Nagarjuna quote is totally out of context, and if you don't understand in what sense the debate, (or anything conventional) can be said to exist, you are missing a big necessary part of the equation, which is the whole reason to read the previous threads.
"Just as a lotus does not grow out of a well-levelled soil but from the mire, in the same way the awakening mind
is not born in the hearts of disciples in whom the moisture of attachment has dried up. It grows instead in the hearts of ordinary sentient beings who possess in full the fetters of bondage." -Se Chilbu Choki Gyaltsen
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby hop.pala » Wed Dec 25, 2013 11:47 pm

alaa vijnana is conscouus becaus óe ut your mindstream
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Re: is that true Buddhism does not deny the existence of a

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Thu Dec 26, 2013 6:18 pm

Ok, i've unlocked this, with the understanding that the thread is for discussion of the original post.
"Just as a lotus does not grow out of a well-levelled soil but from the mire, in the same way the awakening mind
is not born in the hearts of disciples in whom the moisture of attachment has dried up. It grows instead in the hearts of ordinary sentient beings who possess in full the fetters of bondage." -Se Chilbu Choki Gyaltsen
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