Sherab Dorje wrote:The author is called Pollan and plants do not have neurons maybe you skipped the high school biology class where they explained that one)...Malcolm wrote:No, the subject of the discussion is the Pollen article, and therefore the title is correct.
Sherab Dorje wrote:“Yes, plants have both short- and long-term electrical signalling, and they use some neurotransmitter-like chemicals as chemical signals,” Lincoln Taiz, an emeritus professor of plant physiology at U.C. Santa Cruz and one of the signers of the Alpi letter, told me. “But the mechanisms are quite different from those of true nervous systems.” Taiz says that the writings of the plant neurobiologists suffer from “over-interpretation of data, teleology, anthropomorphizing, philosophizing, and wild speculations.”
Plant Neurobiology describes a newly named, but also old and fascinating field in plant biology addressing the physiological basis of adaptive behavior in plants. Perhaps this field could be called "Sensory Biology in Plants" or something similar. However, these names don't quite cover topics like plant cytology and anatomy, adaptive plant behavior, signaling and communication in symbiosis and pathogenesis, or newly emerging topics like for instance plant immunity, plant memory and learning, plant-plant communication, as well as plant intelligence.
Our choice of the term Plant Neurobiology is described in Brenner et al. (2006) where we note some obvious analogies between classical neurobiology and some aspects of the physiology of plants. For example, plants have long been known to respond sensitively to environmental stimuli by movement and changes in morphology, to be electrically excitable, to display rapid electrical responses (action potentials) to environmental stimuli, to synthesize numerous organic molecules that act as neurochemicals in other organisms, and to use hormonal signaling pathways to coordinate development, morphology and thu
“The electric charge of an electron doesn’t arise out of more elemental properties. It simply has a charge,” says Koch. “Likewise, I argue that we live in a universe of space, time, mass, energy, and consciousness arising out of complex systems.”
We've already got a room, imagine what it would be like if we didn't have the room too!dzogchungpa wrote:Sherab Dorje wrote:The author is called Pollan and plants do not have neurons maybe you skipped the high school biology class where they explained that one)...Malcolm wrote:No, the subject of the discussion is the Pollen article, and therefore the title is correct.
Maybe you two should get a room.
Sherab Dorje wrote:
Ditto on the attitude.
Sherab Dorje wrote: In that way they will avoid the anthropomorphism which is implied by using the term "neurons".
Touche!Malcolm wrote:Sherab Dorje wrote: In that way they will avoid the anthropomorphism which is implied by using the term "neurons".
I think the term you are looking for is not anthropomorphism, but rather, "zoomorphism", if we are going to be fussy about terms.
Last time I checked passive-aggressive ad homs (character assassination) were not a valid form of debate repartee. Chill out.Malcolm wrote:Sherab Dorje wrote:
Ditto on the attitude.
Your habitually hostile tone has been mentioned many times, buy many people. You usually defend it saying "That's just how I am....".
People say many things about me, but they never call me "hostile". They usually just say I am a bully, or a fundamentalist ( ), and then only when they haven't anything substantive with which to back up their argument.
Sherab Dorje wrote:Toes and digital pads (of a paw) are both digits, but I imagine you would not use the terms interchangeably, so... stop being unjustifiably defensive.
Same in Greek. But it's beyond the point. I nonetheless believe that the specific field of plant biology would benefit from its own range of terms and shake the criticism of zoomorphism, etc... that it is drawing thus allowing it to waste less time countering detractors. Unless, of course, they have found that plants do actually have neurons (and not cells that are like neurons).Malcolm wrote:Sherab Dorje wrote:Toes and digital pads (of a paw) are both digits, but I imagine you would not use the terms interchangeably, so... stop being unjustifiably defensive.
In some languages there is no separate word for toes, for example, Tibetan.
oushi wrote:I watched this lecture today, and I was like... WOW! It's about the nature, power and potential of mushrooms.
There is also something about neuron-like behavior of mycelium.
Malcolm wrote:Yes, Staments work is interesting, especially in using fungi for decontamination.
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