"Today I was enlightened"

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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby ClearblueSky » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:52 am

There were certainly times, especially earlier on that I had the thought I was enlightened. Now I realize I'm pretty damn far from enlightened, which ironically is probably a step in the right direction.
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby wisdom » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:05 am

Simon E. wrote:For anyone on this forum to claim any knowledge of Enlightenment, as opposed to some verbal formula, is like ants on an anthill..... In front of a backdrop of Everest.....
The degree of effort required and the conditions necessary for its arising is comically underestimated by westerners.


Speaking of ants, they too share the Buddha Nature. What is more common and ordinary than that?
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby Simon E. » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:10 am

In your view do the ants know that they do ?
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby zangskar » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:19 am

disjointed wrote:I'm paraphrasing, this particular lama actually speaks in broken English.

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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby Snovid » Sat Oct 12, 2013 12:40 pm

"Today I was enlightened"

None Buddhist cant say that,because there's no me/I/you/self :)

"I" do not exist :buddha2:
I am from Poland I use google translator I do not know English
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby Simon E. » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:03 pm

Snowid wrote:"Today I was enlightened"

None Buddhist cant say that,because there's no me/I/you/self :)

"I" do not exist :buddha2:



Really ?
Who wrote your post then ?
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby Malcolm » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:52 pm

disjointed wrote:Simon. I presume you assume this Dzogchen teacher was well taught and fluent in the teachings of Dzogchen. He was not.


This person then was not a Dzogchen teacher, so your definition is flawed.
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:57 pm

Or they were a flawed dzogchen teacher, there's plenty of those around lately.
"When one is not in accord with the true view
Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby Snovid » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:09 pm

Who wrote your post then ?

Noone,Rigpa
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby Alfredo » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:36 pm

Simon E:
And that cliched reply ( even though correct as far as verbal formulae are concerned ) defeated a Dzogchen teacher you say.
Right... 8-)


You think Dzogchen lacks for cliches?

If I call myself a Correctist, that wouldn't make my opinions Correct.
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby disjointed » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:09 pm

Malcolm wrote:
disjointed wrote:Simon. I presume you assume this Dzogchen teacher was well taught and fluent in the teachings of Dzogchen. He was not.


This person then was not a Dzogchen teacher, so your definition is flawed.


Malcolm, it is a distinction I agree with that he should not have presented himself as a Dzogchen teacher in any sense.

When I used the terms "Dzogchen(term 1)" "teacher(term 2)" to denote that he ascribed himself to the Dzogchen school and he was teaching.
My intention was not that he was a "Dzogchen teacher(1 term)" or a person who taught Dzogchen.

I thought the ambiguity would be clear from the context, but obviously I've thrown people off by not being clearer.
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby Alfredo » Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:02 am

If it makes you feel better, you are all really enlightened after all. Under all those obscurations, I mean.
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby lobster » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:02 am

Alfredo wrote:If it makes you feel better, you are all really enlightened after all. Under all those obscurations, I mean.


:twothumbsup:

Strange but true. Time for more dancing? :woohoo:

Dharma two step? Take your partners? :meditate:

Obscurations to the usual address . . .
Singing telegrams welcome :popcorn:

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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby Sherab Dorje » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:14 am

lobster wrote:
Alfredo wrote:If it makes you feel better, you are all really enlightened after all. Under all those obscurations, I mean.


:twothumbsup:

Strange but true. Time for more dancing? :woohoo:

Dharma two step? Take your partners? :meditate:

Obscurations to the usual address . . .
Singing telegrams welcome :popcorn:

:woohoo:
It's one thing to recognise that we all possess the potential for enlightenment, and another thing to run around teling people you are an Arhat.
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Meditation and conduct become delusion,
One will not attain the real result
One will be like a blind man who has no eyes."
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby Ayu » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:22 am

The sentence "Today I was enlightet" contains two contradictions. Time and Self contradict enlightment.

More precisely: as soon as there is the feeling, the self is enlighted - this cannot be. This self might involve in senseless discussions on internet-boards, but it cannot be enlighted. :tongue:
Because, if our mothers, who have been kind to us
From beginningless time, are suffering,
What can we do with (just) our own happiness?
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby M.G. » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:59 pm

I've encountered a fair number of people who simply hate the whole notion of enlightenment and will make the claim to mock it.
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby invisiblediamond » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:26 pm

People can be very closed minded. If someone doesn't have a lineage with unbroken chain of realized masters naturally they won't have any trust.
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby M.G. » Sun Oct 13, 2013 3:28 pm

invisiblediamond wrote:People can be very closed minded. If someone doesn't have a lineage with unbroken chain of realized masters naturally they won't have any trust.


Well, that's basically it. The people I know who absolutely hate the idea of enlightenment believe in a completely egalitarian spirituality and basically hate the idea that one person could be seen as more realized than another.
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby invisiblediamond » Sun Oct 13, 2013 4:18 pm

M.G. wrote:
invisiblediamond wrote:People can be very closed minded. If someone doesn't have a lineage with unbroken chain of realized masters naturally they won't have any trust.


Well, that's basically it. The people I know who absolutely hate the idea of enlightenment believe in a completely egalitarian spirituality and basically hate the idea that one person could be seen as more realized than another.


What we want to be true almost never is. An open mind can make amazing discoveries.
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Re: "Today I was enlightened"

Postby disjointed » Sun Oct 13, 2013 7:31 pm

Lol framing someone that doesn't acknowledge your claim to be enlightened as closed minded. That's great.
How about framing someone as closed minded for not acknowledging that they are not enlightened?


There are a lot of closed minded people who won't even consider they're not enlightened.
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