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Vajrayana

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Vajrayana

Postby dhamma_newb » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:29 pm

I am interested in learning more about Vajrayana and have been exploring Dharma Wheel and also looking at posts here regarding Vajrayana.

I keep seeing posts here that state that Vajrayana is Adhamma. Is this true? Is the Vajrayana not the Buddha's Teachings? If so, does that mean that someone like the Dalai Lama is not following the Buddha's Teachings?

Thank you.

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby d.sullivan » Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:54 pm

I have read books in which the Dalai Lame espouses the Doctrines of the Four Noble Truths, Anatta, Annica, and Nirvana. Since these are the core tenants of Buddhism, I would consider him a Buddhist. Others may disagree, however.
Every blade in the field,
Every leaf in the forest,
Lays down its life in its season,
As beautifully as it was taken up.

Thoreau.

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:40 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby Durt_Dawg » Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:56 am

Upholding Mantras, by recitation with mouth, gesturing with hand Mudras, and visualising with the mind sounds quite legit and are not disupted by Buddhist masters. But some of the practices that involves sex and bodily fluids sounds pretty dodgy to me.
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Re: Vajrayana

Postby dhamma_newb » Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:34 am

The watched mind brings happiness.
Dhp 36

I am larger and better than I thought. I did not know I held so much goodness.
Walt Whitman

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:04 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby dhamma_newb » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:22 am

Thanks Retro - I appreciate your tact. :smile:
The watched mind brings happiness.
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I am larger and better than I thought. I did not know I held so much goodness.
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Re: Vajrayana

Postby dhamma_newb » Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:26 am

I'm reading and it's a great intro to Vajrayana. The book answered all of my questions and more.
The watched mind brings happiness.
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I am larger and better than I thought. I did not know I held so much goodness.
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Re: Vajrayana

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby dhamma_newb » Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:15 am

The watched mind brings happiness.
Dhp 36

I am larger and better than I thought. I did not know I held so much goodness.
Walt Whitman

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Re: Vajrayana

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby dhamma_newb » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:53 pm

The watched mind brings happiness.
Dhp 36

I am larger and better than I thought. I did not know I held so much goodness.
Walt Whitman

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby johnny » Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:40 pm

The time would not pass. Somebody was playing with the clocks, and not only the electronic clocks but the wind-up kind too. The second hand on my watch would twitch once, and a year would pass, and then it would twitch again.
There was nothing I could do about it. As an Earthling I had to believe whatever clocks said -and calendars.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Slaughterhouse-Five

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby bloxgros » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:25 am

Here is some information about tibetan language used for buddhist texts:

and

the emerging web about Tibetan Buddhism by the book of L.A.Waddell

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby Dan74 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:39 am

The trouble with doing research in order to find the "best" tradition is that we are looking for a way to clear delusion with a deluded mind - there is really little hope of an objective assessment.

Still, there are some signposts that should perhaps be kept in mind. There are a few pointers here: but I like to pay attention to how the teacher conducts him or herself. A teacher my make us feel uncomfortable because they may not wish to stroke our egos and indulge us, but are they honest, upright, attentive and insightful, concerned with the students' welfare or with their own?

As for actual traditions, well, as long as it is not a new cult of some sort - there are deep and powerful teachings within every major Buddhist tradition.
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Re: Vajrayana

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby santa100 » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:13 pm

dhamma_newb wrote:
"Is the Vajrayana not the Buddha's Teachings? If so, does that mean that someone like the Dalai Lama is not following the Buddha's Teachings?"

What are the Buddha's Teachings?
"Every evil never doing
and in wholesomeness increasing
and one's heart well-purifying:
this is the Buddhas' Sasana"

So regardless of which tradition a teacher's from: Theravada, Mahayana, Vajrayana, whoever successfully carry out the above instruction is a follower of the Buddha's Teaching. Just like picking a martial art to learn, don't go for brand name or orthodoxy, go for one that is most suitable to your body frame and strength and will best help you walk out alive and unscathed from a rough situation..

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Re: Vajrayana

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:22 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta



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