Transgression, Tantra, Radical vs Conservative Buddhism

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Re: Transgression, Tantra, Radical vs Conservative Buddhism

Postby Konchog1 » Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:40 am

tobes wrote:
smcj wrote:In all the various wonderful descriptions of Amitabja's Pure Land, has anyone heard their political system described?


Vow number 10 of Dharmakara in the longer sutra sounds a lot like Lennon's political utopia;

"Blessed one, may I not awaken to unsurpassable, perfect, full awakening if the living beings who are born in this buddha-field should conceive of any idea of property, even if it is only with regard to their own body."

"Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world"

Who was arguing for natural property rights again?? Not in the pure lands!

:anjali:
Well, I think the first quote is a reference to emptiness and the second is a reference to communism.
Equanimity is the ground. Love is the moisture. Compassion is the seed. Bodhicitta is the result.

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Without attachment, self-liberating, like a snake in a knot.
Through the qualities of meditating in that way,
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Re: Transgression, Tantra, Radical vs Conservative Buddhism

Postby Lotus_Bitch » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:14 am

Malcolm wrote:
Lotus_Bitch wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Dharma never promises another better life. In fact it assures us that if we are passive and refuse to put the teachings into practice we will certainly not experience a better life in the hereafter.

The Buddha of the hell realms is Yamaraja.

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That's the first time I've heard of Yama being referred to as a buddha. Yamaraja=Dharmaraja right?


It is a Xitro thing.


Ohhh, ok. I'm assuming this isn't invoking the dharmapala, right? Something that's "unique" to zhitro?
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Re: Transgression, Tantra, Radical vs Conservative Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jun 29, 2013 3:12 pm

Lotus_Bitch wrote:
Ohhh, ok. I'm assuming this isn't invoking the dharmapala, right? Something that's "unique" to zhitro?


There is a Muni for each of the six realms.
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Re: Transgression, Tantra, Radical vs Conservative Buddhism

Postby Lotus_Bitch » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:06 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Lotus_Bitch wrote:
Ohhh, ok. I'm assuming this isn't invoking the dharmapala, right? Something that's "unique" to zhitro?


There is a Muni for each of the six realms.


Gotcha :thumbsup:

This wouldn't be the first time I've heard about the 6 munis. I have an infatuation with the hell realms, so I'm always trying to learn more about buddhas and bodhisattvas that are particularly associated with this realm.
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Re: Transgression, Tantra, Radical vs Conservative Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:45 pm

tobes wrote:
smcj wrote:In all the various wonderful descriptions of Amitabja's Pure Land, has anyone heard their political system described?


Vow number 10 of Dharmakara in the longer sutra sounds a lot like Lennon's political utopia;

"Blessed one, may I not awaken to unsurpassable, perfect, full awakening if the living beings who are born in this buddha-field should conceive of any idea of property, even if it is only with regard to their own body."

"Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world"

Who was arguing for natural property rights again?? Not in the pure lands!

:anjali:


Correction, not in Amitabha's pureland, populated only by males.
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Re: Transgression, Tantra, Radical vs Conservative Buddhism

Postby Lotus_Bitch » Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:49 pm

Malcolm wrote:
Lotus_Bitch wrote:
Ohhh, ok. I'm assuming this isn't invoking the dharmapala, right? Something that's "unique" to zhitro?


There is a Muni for each of the six realms.


In the mandala of xitro, does Yamaraja have the same appearance as the dharmapala of the same name?

All I need is a yes or no answer...I must know!!! :tantrum: :D
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Re: Transgression, Tantra, Radical vs Conservative Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sat Jun 29, 2013 10:25 pm

Lotus_Bitch wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Lotus_Bitch wrote:
Ohhh, ok. I'm assuming this isn't invoking the dharmapala, right? Something that's "unique" to zhitro?


There is a Muni for each of the six realms.


In the mandala of xitro, does Yamaraja have the same appearance as the dharmapala of the same name?

All I need is a yes or no answer...I must know!!! :tantrum: :D

No.
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http://atikosha.org
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