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Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby Soe Win Htut » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:35 am

In Myanmar, I also practice a well-known Meditation method for 4 years which teaches the mental noting upon relative truths(samuti sacca.)
It has a lot of benefits for me via this way for calmness but not yet the real wisdom/insight.
I think Samatha way should be known as Samatha way and Vipassana way should be knowns as Vipassana way which is concerning with insight/wisdom.

I just present the attitudes of the most of meditation teachers/meditators in Myanmar nowadays.
Most of meditation teachers in myanmar point out this fact that mental noting alone is just Samatha meditation.
Here links are the well-known insight meditation teachers in Myanmar point out this fact.
What do you think about it?

http://sayadawutejaniya.org/teachings/

http://onlymiddleway.multiply.com/music/item/3

kind regards,
Awareness(mental noting) alone is not enough for enlightenment. (Ashin Tejaniya)
Created truths(Sammuti Sacca) are just to be used only, experienced only and known onlyWithout rejecting and attaching them with the idea of reality.
Vipassana (Insight meditation) is changing from the volitional action to action-only, attachment to detachment, misunderstanding to right understanding.
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http://www.thabarwa.org, or
http://www.thabarwa.org/guided-insight-mp3-talks/

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:40 am


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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby PeterB » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:46 am

There is nothing wrong with " just" Samatha meditation.

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby Soe Win Htut » Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:47 am

Last edited by Soe Win Htut on Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
Awareness(mental noting) alone is not enough for enlightenment. (Ashin Tejaniya)
Created truths(Sammuti Sacca) are just to be used only, experienced only and known onlyWithout rejecting and attaching them with the idea of reality.
Vipassana (Insight meditation) is changing from the volitional action to action-only, attachment to detachment, misunderstanding to right understanding.
To Learn more....
http://www.thabarwa.org, or
http://www.thabarwa.org/guided-insight-mp3-talks/

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby Ben » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:03 am

Actually, Soewin, the Mahasi method is a well recognized and very effective form of vipassana bhavana.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el370.html
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:08 am

Soe Win Htut,

You are certainly welcome to present the teachings of Vens Shwe Oo Min Sayadaw and Sayadaw U Tejaniya. I think people will find them of interest and value, but please do not turn such presentations into a my teacher got it right your teacher got it wrong sort of thing. That does no one any good.

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby Soe Win Htut » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:19 am

Dear Bro Ben,

I also beleived like that but after reading below links and book my opinion is changed.
If possible, I request you to learn and read the books below.

http://dhammaeverywhere.tumblr.com/ (Dhamma everywhere)

http://www.mediafire.com/?64dt8t8uvucjado (Awareness alone is not enough)
Last edited by Soe Win Htut on Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
Awareness(mental noting) alone is not enough for enlightenment. (Ashin Tejaniya)
Created truths(Sammuti Sacca) are just to be used only, experienced only and known onlyWithout rejecting and attaching them with the idea of reality.
Vipassana (Insight meditation) is changing from the volitional action to action-only, attachment to detachment, misunderstanding to right understanding.
To Learn more....
http://www.thabarwa.org, or
http://www.thabarwa.org/guided-insight-mp3-talks/

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby pilgrim » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:20 am

Why is it that meditation teachers consistently give rise to "method zealots" among their students? :rolleye:
Someone posted in another forum that if the meditation method you use develops right view, you would not have attachment to Teachers or Meditation methods. :clap:

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby Soe Win Htut » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:32 am

Awareness(mental noting) alone is not enough for enlightenment. (Ashin Tejaniya)
Created truths(Sammuti Sacca) are just to be used only, experienced only and known onlyWithout rejecting and attaching them with the idea of reality.
Vipassana (Insight meditation) is changing from the volitional action to action-only, attachment to detachment, misunderstanding to right understanding.
To Learn more....
http://www.thabarwa.org, or
http://www.thabarwa.org/guided-insight-mp3-talks/

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby Ben » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:46 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby Viscid » Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:51 am

"What holds attention determines action." - William James

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby DarwidHalim » Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:15 pm

Mental noting is simply a technique to calm down the mind and used in the beginning of Samantha meditation. The perfection of Samantha doesn't mean it will lead the practitioner to vipassana meditation. Many Hindu yogi has a very high level of Samantha meditation without knowing at all what is vipassana meditation.

Although the perfection of Samantha is extremely important and useful, it won't lead us out from samsara. We will be born in the god realm.

So, unless we couple it with vipassana, we can say it serve no purpose at the end.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby DarwidHalim » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:35 am

I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

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Re: Mental Noting is Vipassana or Samatha meditation?

Postby ground » Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:56 am

IMO the validity of meditation teachings of teachers other than the Buddha should be traceable to the suttas. If they are traceable to suttas then their purpose will become evident through the context of the suttas themselves.
To me it appears as if the strict categorization into samatha meditation on the one hand and vipassana meditation on the other hand has been fabricated by scholars but was never taught that way by the Buddha himself.


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