Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

Postby Indrajala » Fri Aug 09, 2013 4:45 pm

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

Postby Indrajala » Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:49 am

tad etat sarvajñānaṃ karuṇāmūlaṃ bodhicittahetukam upāyaparyavasānam iti |

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

Postby Malcolm » Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:06 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

Postby Fortyeightvows » Sat Oct 18, 2014 12:32 am

Am I allowed to open this thread up again?

This is a very interesting thread and I think it is one of the most interesting threads I have read here on the dharmawheel.

It reminds me of an instance where we were talking about if a highest yoga empowerment (chakasamvara) from one of the other schools of Tibetan Buddhism qualified on to receive Vajrayogini in the geluk tradition.
I asked one master if this was so and he answered something like 'it fulfills the Indian tradition, but maybe not the Tibetan tradition' his reasoning was that if one was receiving these empowerments in india before tantric buddhism went to tibet, there was no geluk, kagyu, etc.
Maybe the same principle applies here.
Kobo Daishi didn't receive his abisheka from a shingon master, did he?

Either way this is a very interesting thread and it seems the participants are all very knowledgable (with the exception of myself)

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

Postby rory » Sat Oct 18, 2014 3:47 am

Namu Kanzeon Bosatsu
Chih-I:
The Tai-ching states "the women in the realms of Mara, Sakra and Brahma all neither abandoned ( their old) bodies nor received (new) bodies. They all received buddhahood with their current bodies (genshin)" Thus these verses state that the dharma nature is like a great ocean. No right or wrong is preached (within it) Ordinary people and sages are equal, without superiority or inferiority
Paul, Groner "The Lotus Sutra in Japanese Culture"eds. Tanabe p. 58
https://www.tendai-usa.org/

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

Postby Fortyeightvows » Sat Oct 18, 2014 8:08 am

I'm not sure that Hui-Kuo would have identified himself as a shingon master.
I imagine he considered himself to teach mizong 密宗. I doubt anyone in china at that time was calling their sect shingon.
I believe shingon is a Japanese word.

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

Postby rory » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:56 am

Since Kukai was the founder of the Shingon sect it's logically impossible that he could receive initiation from a Shingon master, so I assumed you were using the word generically. Sorry; he was initiated by the Chinese tantric master Huiguo.
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Namu Kanzeon Bosatsu
Chih-I:
The Tai-ching states "the women in the realms of Mara, Sakra and Brahma all neither abandoned ( their old) bodies nor received (new) bodies. They all received buddhahood with their current bodies (genshin)" Thus these verses state that the dharma nature is like a great ocean. No right or wrong is preached (within it) Ordinary people and sages are equal, without superiority or inferiority
Paul, Groner "The Lotus Sutra in Japanese Culture"eds. Tanabe p. 58
https://www.tendai-usa.org/

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

Postby Fortyeightvows » Sun Nov 23, 2014 3:32 am

It doesn't matter to the point I was trying to make.

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

Postby Fortyeightvows » Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:02 pm

Again, it doesn't matter to the point I was trying to make.

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

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Re: Mahavairocana empowerment applicability

Postby Fortyeightvows » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:09 am

No apology necessary friend.

It's not necessarily that the thread is entire thread was centered or limited to the point I was trying to make. But in my limited time using this board I have noticed that the culture generally dictates that if the discussion no longer relates to the original post that a new thread be started. The original post was about empowerment applicability. Do you have any thoughts on this?

Also it seems like the etymology of would make for a good thread itself.


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