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Are you ready?

Postby Reductor » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:34 am

Last night the wife, kids and I returned home from a good evening swim. We washed the kids and turned 'em loose to play a while before bed. Shortly afterward I shouted at them to stop running around. Because it is usual for them to do that, I didn't really intervene -- just bellyache. I should have done more.

My son tripped and slammed into the closet door, and my wife was quick to scold my daughter for chaseing him around. While she was doing that, my son came into the kitchen. I looked at him only to realize that something was very wrong: he was staring at the ceiling with hist mouth agape in a silent scream. His face was contorted and white. Then he began reaching up to claw at his mouth.

I grabbed shoulders and said (yelled) "son, are you alright!" he kept staring and grabbing, then his eyes went out of focus and ceased to move around. He went limp, so I laid him on the floor. My wife was screaming, my daughter was crying and my little boy wasn't breathing. I told the wife to call 911 and to shut up (she was in a panic). I laid my ear to his mouth as I remembered that I had to check his breath. I placed my palm on his chest, and felt that his heart was beating hard and fast. My wife was shouting our address into the phone.

"Why isn't he breathing? is he as good as dead? is his head in the right position for a breath? how far in am I going to compress his chest, if his heart stops?" so many questions and no certainty.

I realized that he would need artificial respiration (AR), because his heart was still beating. But luckily I didn't even begin, because he started struggling to breath on his own just as I was placing his head in position.

I sat him up, propping his body against my leg, and started talking to him. He took a deep breath and started kicking, urinating all over the floor. Then he started screaming. The whole event last two minutes, maybe. May it never be repeated.

After a quick assessment to see if he knew where he was and what was happening I checked him over more carefully. Then we cancelled the ambulance, but didn't go to the hospital (although I wanted too). I didn't sleep well that night as I was checking on him every 20 minutes to make sure he was alright. He has a doctors appointment monday, just in case he has some condition that will make him prone to seizures.

It was definitely the most horrifying experience of my life.

What I want to say, to everyone, is that if you haven't had First Aid training of some kind, get it! If he hadn't started to breath, then what would have happened? What if I hadn't ever been taught anything at all, as I know is the case for most people? Would he then have died on my kitchen floor?!

Get some training, just in case you find yourself standing over a loved one -- or a friend or stranger.

Seriously.

FYI: Canada loves the universal health care, but it sure ain't free. No free ambulance, and a 12 hour wait in the ER for those that don't come by way of stretcher.

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Postby Ben » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:00 am

Oh my lord!
I'm sorry to learn of your traumatic event. I hope it never occurs again.
But, please, take your son to see a doctor as soon as you can. Don't wait until Monday.
I send you and your family my metta

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Re: Are you ready?

Postby cooran » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:37 am

Dear thereductor,

:group: I'm so sorry for your son, you and your family. I agree with Ben, please please take him to a doctor asap. Additionally, what you have gone through could have post traumatic stress implications for you all. How precious, and how precarious, is life. I rejoice that this has been resolved happily.

It makes me recall how I felt when my adult son was staying with me, took a mug from the dishwasher, made some tea, took a quick mouthful. He began gesticulating frantically. He could hardly breathe. We were in a rural area, the ambulance hadn't come in twenty minutes so I drove him to the local hospital. They discovered that a square plastic closer from a bread packet had been in the mug. It lodged in his throat and almost covered his airway They managed to get it out. It affected both of us for some months.

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Re: Are you ready?

Postby andre9999 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:52 am

Get to an ER. We can all discuss the rest later.

May cost you a bunch of money and time, but as a father I wouldn't risk it.

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Postby Kenshou » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:57 am

!

That's awful, but also lucky. Hope he checks out alright.

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Re: Are you ready?

Postby Aloka » Fri Jan 14, 2011 7:58 am

Please, please take your son to a doctor as soon as possible for a checkup, thereductor.

with metta,

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Postby Reductor » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:35 pm

Thank you everyone for the well wishes. He appears as right as rain for the time being.

I understand the impulse to take him to ER: but from what I know (and have experienced) of the ER here in town I don't feel confident that taking him there is the solution, unless of course he needs immediate intervention. Certainly if there is another incident I will have an ambulance take him whether or not he recovers his breath and consciousness. I do regret not doing so the first time, but in my infinite wisdom I thought twice and cancelled the ambulance. I shan't be doing so again.

However, the ER is not the place for an in depth diagnosis by any stretch. The appointment on Monday is a much surer thing. And up here getting an appointment as soon as Monday is a miracle right up there with turning water to wine.

And thank you Anna for the advice. What kind of training do you have?

Myself, I have trained to be a paramedic, but as of now have not used any of it professionally. There is something about standing over your own little kid, though, that makes the whole experience a lesson in awfulness that I don't think would be present in an employment scenario.

And to those that don't have first aid, I ask you to get it. Come on people.

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Postby bodom » Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:43 pm

May you, your son and all of your family and friends be peaceful, happy and free from suffering.

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To practice is to know your defilements,
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Postby Khalil Bodhi » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:06 pm

May your family be safe and secure. May the devas protect you! I am sorry for your experience and hope that you are all well now. :heart:
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Postby andre9999 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:13 pm

Glad to hear that he's doing well. I'm used to US hopitals, where I can get an MRI and CAT at virtually every hospital, and ER wait times are roughly fifteen minutes. And boy do I pay for that privilege.

I don't have first aid training except as an army combat lifesaver (essentially stabilize them to get them to a medic). So basically, if my son gets shot, I know how to give a tourniquet.

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Re: Are you ready?

Postby Viscid » Fri Jan 14, 2011 10:49 pm

I work in a Canadian ER and in Ontario the ambulances are $45 (unless it was unnecessary), there isn't a 12 hour wait unless you're waiting to be admitted into a bed (maybe 2-4 to see a doctor depending on how busy it is) and it is pretty stupid of you to wait until Monday. If he hit his head, your kid could have a concussion! He needs a CT!
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Re: Are you ready?

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Re: Are you ready?

Postby lojong1 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:11 am

Sometimes the little blighters can be shocked and embarrassed, and work themselves up to breathlessness, fearing the worst for themselves.
Hone that spidey-sense.

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Re: Are you ready?

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Re: Are you ready?

Postby Vepacitta » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:19 pm

Jeez Reductor - just read this thread and so glad your son seems to be ok - like everyone else here I hope you can have him checked out just to be sure. It could be likely that he just screamed himself out of air and so went unconscious but you never know ...

Be well!

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Re: Are you ready?

Postby Wizard in the Forest » Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:06 am

Since my home has a family daycare, all adults are required to take CPR classes, and emergency first aid. I actually recommend it. But it sounds like it could have been a seizure or maybe an allergy attack with anaphylaxis. Does anyone you know have any severe food or medical allergies? I've noticed that food allergies have become more common with children in the past 5 years, so I wouldn't be surprised if that is the case.

Either way,

I hope your child is okay, Reductor. I'm sure we all wish for both his full recovery, and good health.
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Re: Are you ready?

Postby Ytrog » Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:38 pm

That was a close call Thereductor. I hope that it won't happen again.

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Postby Modus.Ponens » Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:47 pm

How's your son thereductor? Did the doctor find anything wrong with him?

Hoping everything is well.
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Re: Are you ready?

Postby Reductor » Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:19 pm

The kid is alright, although the cause of his episode remains undetermined.

Thanks everyone Vepacitta, WITF, ytrog, modus.ponens and everyone for the well wishes. It is appreciated. :heart:


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