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Re: awakening myth?

Postby daniel p » Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:04 am

So logically,
if it is a myth I could practice dilligently my whole life and never know it is.
or if it is not a myth then I could practice dilligently my whole life and maybe know it is, if I progress to the end.

If I was to meet a buddha I may not recognise them as such.


I love this.
Now I can practice with confidence ;)

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Re: awakening myth?

Postby christopher::: » Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:36 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009

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Re: awakening myth?

Postby Paññāsikhara » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:43 am

Kia ora, Daniel. Are you from Aotearoa?

When we begin the path, we ourselves are quite unqualified and unable to identify who or what is awakened.
We may, however, be able to identify some people who have virtuous qualities that are worthy of emulation.
Begin there. Emulate those people, learn from them, and follow their advice.
As our own virtuous qualities develop, we will be qualified to identify more subtle levels of virtuous states, in others.
Then find people who are even more highly developed, and emulate them, learn from them.
As we progress, we will gradually be able to assess the many virtuous qualities in a range of persons, including ourselves.

So, rather than simply falling into doubt about whether or not awakening is possible while we ourselves are simply unable to identify such qualities that awakening may entail, begin from where we are. One cannot walk the whole path in a single step, but one can certainly take one step at a time.
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Re: awakening myth?

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:57 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: awakening myth?

Postby bodom » Wed Sep 08, 2010 4:28 pm

Ajaan Dune. :bow:

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


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Re: awakening myth?

Postby Cittasanto » Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:25 pm

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I have heard that both Ajahn Dtun, & Ajahn Anan both say something along the lines of - it takes one to know one!

I think there is a big difference between talking about the path, and talking about attainments of that path, it would be like a 3d being trying to explain to a 2d being what being a 3d being is like. if that makes sense with all that being :)


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: awakening myth?

Postby Laurens » Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:34 pm

Sceptical scrutiny is important in every aspect of our lives. It's what stops us from believing in bunk. It might be one of the so called hindrances to question whether awakening is real or not, but I think its important to ask such questions.
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

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Re: awakening myth?

Postby daniel p » Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:30 am

Sure you can! Of course! why not? Come on, just do it! Keep a stiff upper lip! Take it in stride! What have you got to lose?

If you practice then you at least gain a hobby, but very likely an increase of peace of mind too (ask anyone here). Whether or not the practice goes all the way to the end of suffering, to enlightenment, is only demonstrable to yourself by accomplishing it.

In the beginning you have to be content with small returns on practice. As the benefits become steadier and more pronounced you might then have more confidence in the big promise. If you just force yourself to accept a notion or promise that is totally alien to you, you'll just have more resistance. And then you're even further from accomplishing anything of value.[/quote]

Thanks for the encouragement!
I should point out that I am not experiencing some sort of crisis of faith. I have been practicing regularly for the past couple of years, and I can honestly say I do believe I have accrued at least some benefits. In fact my wife felt that my temperament had improved markedly and decided to attend the same meditation retreat on that basis, with no encouragement from me.

For many years I have studied buddhist teachings (among others), but now I am patient enough to actually try to anylyse my own understanding of the dhamma and this discussion is an attempt to address the intellectual holes that appear. (wait till I start another thread on the whole anatta/rebirth thing)
This may be a painstaking process but some aspects of dhamma are more evident to me than others. I am happy to rely on those teachings which are consistent with my own experience. But I feel it is my duty to proceed with caution regarding other aspects that fall outside my experience.

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Re: awakening myth?

Postby christopher::: » Fri Sep 10, 2010 3:57 am

"As Buddhists, we should aim to develop relationships that are not predominated by grasping and clinging. Our relationships should be characterised by the brahmaviharas of metta (loving kindness), mudita (sympathetic joy), karuna (compassion), and upekkha (equanimity)."
~post by Ben, Jul 02, 2009


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