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questions about meditation

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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questions about meditation

Postby salaatti » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:01 pm

Ajahn Chah said this about the beginning of the meditation.

"Fix your attention at the head and move it down through the body to the tips of the feet, and then back up to the crown of the head. Pass your awareness down through the body, observing with wisdom. We do this to gain an initial understanding of the way the body is. Then begin the meditation, noting that at this time your sole duty is to observe the inhalations and exhalations."

How long should this "body-scan" last and how thoroughly this should be done?
And I also have another thing in mind. Jack Kornfield (student of Ajahn Chah's) mentioned that we should:
"Use the sensation, the direct experience of the breath as it enters and leaves the nostrils, as the point of concentration."

Did Ajahn Chah also teach to use the nostrils as an object of concentration?

thanks!

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Re: questions about meditation

Postby Moggalana » Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:07 am

Let it come. Let it be. Let it go.

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Re: questions about meditation

Postby Sanghamitta » Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:12 am

I think its worth noting that Ajahn Chah recommended different variations on the basic methods depending on the person he was talking to.
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Re: questions about meditation

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Re: questions about meditation

Postby salaatti » Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:08 pm

Thanks appicchato. :smile: Is there different results from doing one one-pointed concentration and meditation described by Ajahn Brahm and Vimalaramsi?

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Re: questions about meditation

Postby mikenz66 » Tue Sep 22, 2009 8:40 pm

Greetings salaatti ,

There are several approaches to Theravada meditation and different teachers emphasise different things, so what they say is bound to seem contradictory since they are trying to keep it simple by only telling you what they find is most helpful for their students in the approach that they teach.

Ajahn Brahm is teaching a concentration practise and his instructions to just have a general idea of breathing in or out are excellent for that. Others are teaching with more of an "insight" orientation, where you want to be focussed on the actual sensations.

If you are a beginner then my advice is to follow the instructions of your teacher (or a particular teacher's book/web site, etc) for at least a few months. Once you have an experiential understanding of one approach it will become much clearer.

For example, if you want to use Ajahn Brahm's method then go to and download the first few chapters of his book, Minfulness, Bliss, and Beyond (click on the book on the home page) and order a copy. Go to the guided meditation podcasts and download some of his guided meditations.

If you want to use Bhante Vimalaramsi's method, go to and download his instructions, guided meditations, etc...

And so on...

Metta
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Re: questions about meditation

Postby Dmytro » Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:51 am

Hi Salaatti,

In Anapanasati and Satipatthana sutta it is recommended to establish remembrance (sati) near the mouth (parimukhaṃ), in the region between mouth and nostrils:

http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index. ... opic=21109

However the suttas also instruct to breath feeling the whole body.

There's no contradiction here. The point of contact with the air between nostrils and mouth is used to obtain the perceptual image (nimitta) of the air-element. And simultaneously the whole body has to be felt and taken into account, to spread the nimitta on the whole body and attain one-pointedness of mind.

Metta, Dmytro


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