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Kim O'Hara wrote:
gad rgyangs wrote:Zizek explains how it is people of insecure beliefs who are prone to being offended:

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/20 ... lism/?_r=0
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Interesting, but not coherently argued - perhaps because "several sections ... originally appeared, in identical or substantially similar form, in Slavoj Zizek's 2008 book, "Violence: Six Sideways Reflections." "

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Don't read or listen to Zizek if you are looking for coherent arguments. Interesting ideas maybe, but coherent arguments aren't his forte.
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It turns out this prohibition against showing an image of Muhammed is of recent vintage. For around the first 1000 years such images were permitted:

http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_ar ... c_mo_full/

More like a deformation than a reformation in progress...
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Re: Charlie Hebdo newest cover

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Will wrote:It turns out this prohibition against showing an image of Muhammed is of recent vintage. For around the first 1000 years such images were permitted:

http://zombietime.com/mohammed_image_ar ... c_mo_full/

More like a deformation than a reformation in progress...
Buddhists respected the Buddha's wish not to be depicted or venerated in statue form for quite a while, and then began making Buddha images and venerating, even worshipping, them.
Is that also 'more like a deformation than a reformation'?
Should we try to re-enforce the prohibition of Buddha images?

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Mkoll wrote:
Paul wrote:
Will wrote:Ah, would that it were so; indifference, cowardice hiding behind pacifism, PC etc. seem too strong at present.
Europe needs to discover a [...] backbone.
It seems to be trying, but as is par for the course with these kind of changes, people overshoot the mark. The rising-in-power radical far-right in the UK, Germany, Sweden, Greece, and other European countries is what I'm referring to. They will only get stronger for now thanks to the Charlie Hebdo attack.

It is likely that this reaction is a goal of the terrorists. If they can make it appear that it is a scenario of "the West vs. Islam," this will inflame tensions and increase the base for recruitment amongst those susceptible to radicalization. Some who are "on the fence" will topple over to the radical side because they believe they are under attack. The rhetoric and actions of radicals on both sides reinforces the scenario of "the West vs. Islam" which leads to more attacks, discrimination, and recruitment. More attacks, discrimination, and recruitment further reinforce "the West vs. Islam" scenario and on it goes. It's a vicious cycle, a positive feedback.

Groups like ISIS want a war between the West and Islam. And I would daresay so does the radical right in the West.
Good thoughts!
Here in Germany they are struggling to make clear to the public the difference between the islamic terrorists and our muslim friends whom we are living and working with.

I think, revenge and hate is not the buddhist way of acting and thinking. We must remember this clearly, if we want to discuss this matter on Dharmawheel. It is the outstanding quality of buddhist philosophy to quit the circle of provocations & violence.

The "37 practices of a bodhisattva" suggest non-violence in a quite radical way:
37 Practices of a Bodhisattva wrote: Refraining from Destructive Behavior
(8) A bodhisattva’s practice is never to commit any negative actions,
Even at the cost of our lives, because the Able Sage has declared
That the extremely difficult to endure sufferings
of the worse states of rebirth
Are the results of negative actions.

Bodhisattva Behavior: Dealing with Harms
(12) Even if someone, driven by desperate want,
Steals, or makes someone else steal, everything you own,
Dedicate to him your body, your wealth, and
All the good you’ve ever done or will do — this is the practice of a bodhisattva.

(13) Even if you have done nothing wrong at all
And someone still tries to take your head off,
Spurred by compassion,
Take all his or her evil into you — this is the practice of a bodhisattva.

(14) Even if someone broadcasts to the whole universe
Slanderous and ugly rumors about you,
In return, with an open and caring heart,
Praise his or her abilities — this is the practice of a bodhisattva.

(15) Even if someone humiliates you and denounces you
In front of a crowd of people,
Think of this person as your teacher
And humbly honor him — this is the practice of a bodhisattva.

(16) Even if a person you have cared for as your own child
Treats you as his or her worst enemy,
Lavish him or her with loving attention
Like a mother caring for her ill child — this is the practice of a bodhisattva.

(17) Even if your peers or subordinates,
Put you down to make themselves look better,
Treat them respectfully as you would your teacher:
Put them above you — this is the practice of a bodhisattva.
http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/ar ... _litt.html
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Re: Charlie Hebdo newest cover

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After some considerable discussion it has become clear to the moderation team that:
(1) the topic has little to do with Buddhism per se and (as our Terms of Service note) DW is not a comparative religion forum;
(2) Islam is deeply divisive, even here on DW;
(3) the thread seems impossible to moderate in such a way as to maintain both Right Speech and continuity.

Some posts have been removed and the thread has been closed permanently.

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