Eckart Tolle - master of the park bench
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Yes, I think Tolle's description of the pain body is quite good, and tuned to modern life.
Whatever we think, Tolle and many others have contributed to the collective sensibility when no other avenue was available. That contribution matters. Joseph Campbell did it back in the day also.
Whatever we think, Tolle and many others have contributed to the collective sensibility when no other avenue was available. That contribution matters. Joseph Campbell did it back in the day also.
Not last night,
not this morning,
melon flowers bloomed.
~ Bassho
not this morning,
melon flowers bloomed.
~ Bassho
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I love Joseph Campbell His books have helped my paintings so much! I have a video of a lecture he did where a student got out of hand questioning and JC got all wrathful on him. The question was about Buddhism if I remember correctly. I wish I could of gone to some of his lectures before he passed. By the time I found him he had left this world.Lindama wrote:Yes, I think Tolle's description of the pain body is quite good, and tuned to modern life.
Whatever we think, Tolle and many others have contributed to the collective sensibility when no other avenue was available. That contribution matters. Joseph Campbell did it back in the day also.
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on my e-mail today:
sounds familiar
Identification With Form
As tribal cultures developed into the ancient civilizations, certain functions began to be allotted to certain people: ruler, priest or priestess, warrior, farmer, merchant, craftsman, laborer, and so on. A class system developed.
Your function, which in most cases you were born into, determined your identity, determined who you were in the eyes of others, as well as in your own eyes. Your function became a role, but it wasn't recognized as a role: It was who you were, or thought you were.
Only rare beings at the time, such as the Buddha or Jesus, saw the ultimate irrelevance of caste or social class, recognized it as identification with form and saw that such identification with the conditioned and the temporal obscured the light of the unconditioned and eternal that shines in each human being.
~ From: A New Earth, by Eckhart Tolle http://www.eckharttolle.com/
Not last night,
not this morning,
melon flowers bloomed.
~ Bassho
not this morning,
melon flowers bloomed.
~ Bassho
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There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche
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dzogchungpa wrote:"Evaluating Eckhart" by Gaylon Ferguson:
http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?o ... Itemid=247
OMG, i've had the same insight, profit from suffering fuels this matrix and the global population is waking up to this factFor example, Tolle tells us that we are moving to a time beyond religion, beyond spiritual ideology and mythology. “We are coming to the end not only of mythologies but also of ideologies and belief systems.” Yet A New Earth includes the invention of a new mythological entity he calls “the pain-body.” “If that sounds to you like a psychic parasite,” he says, “you are right. That's exactly what it is.” Media and the entertainment industry often feed the pain-body. Active pain-bodies can even explain many traffic accidents: “When two drivers with active pain-bodies arrive at an intersection at the same time, the likelihood of an accident is many times greater than under normal circumstances. Unconsciously they both want the accident to happen.” A teaching lineage might be helpful in clarifying the accuracy of this concept—testing it against other authoritative pronouncements and verifying the elaborations of the insight as authentic or not.
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Maybe because a lot of them are overweight?Fruitzilla wrote:Somewhat off-topic, but I hope you'll forgive me...Sherab Rigdrol wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YVjohDXxC0
I notice again and again when watching longtime meditators speak, that their breathing is often quite bad.
Like with Rinpoche here, you can easily observe the gasping for air and lifting of the upper part of his chest when breathing in.
Does anybody else notice this and find it worrying?
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When the Tibetans came scampering out of the mountains to the lowlands they tended to not need to take deep breaths, having been acclimated to the higher altitudes. This made them susceptible to TB and other lung related diseases. I don't know if their greater lung capacity is genetic at this point, but it could be an issue.I notice again and again when watching longtime meditators speak, that their breathing is often quite bad.
Like with Rinpoche here, you can easily observe the gasping for air and lifting of the upper part of his chest when breathing in.
Does anybody else notice this and find it worrying?
1.The problem isn’t ‘ignorance’. The problem is the mind you have right now. (H.H. Karmapa XVII @NYC 2/4/18)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
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Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
2. I support Mingyur R and HHDL in their positions against lama abuse.
3. Student: Lama, I thought I might die but then I realized that the 3 Jewels would protect me.
Lama: Even If you had died the 3 Jewels would still have protected you. (DW post by Fortyeightvows)
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TWR is a former student of Namkhai Norbu's... I have a question about him if anyone knows the specifics of their relationship, please PM me.dzogchungpa wrote:Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche doesn't seem to think he's so bad. From "The Tibetan Yogas of Body, Speech and Mind":The Tibetan spiritual traditions use the term pain body or body of suffering in contrast with the term changeless bliss body. Eckhart Tolle, the renowned author and spiritual teacher, has additionally offered a simple and direct explanation of the pain body that I find inspiring. As the pain body is such an essential concept, I have expanded it to incorporate the notion of pain speech and pain mind.
"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron
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TWR is not a former student of Namkhai Norbu. He is a student of Sangye Tenzin and Lopon Tenzin Namdak.padma norbu wrote: TWR is a former student of Namkhai Norbu's... I have a question about him if anyone knows the specifics of their relationship, please PM me.
He got known with ChNNR when ChNNR came to Lopon Tenzin Namdak in order to study the Zhang Zhung Nyan Gyud.
At that time TWR was living in the house of Lopon Tenzin Namdak.
ChNNR later invited TWR to Italy to his center, where he stayed for some time, giving some teachings and lectures about Bon.
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I was told he received some teachings from Namkhai Norbu by a DC member who would know, but I've since lost contact with that member. Receiving teachings is what I mean by student.tatpurusa wrote:TWR is not a former student of Namkhai Norbu. He is a student of Sangye Tenzin and Lopon Tenzin Namdak.padma norbu wrote: TWR is a former student of Namkhai Norbu's... I have a question about him if anyone knows the specifics of their relationship, please PM me.
He got known with ChNNR when ChNNR came to Lopon Tenzin Namdak in order to study the Zhang Zhung Nyan Gyud.
At that time TWR was living in the house of Lopon Tenzin Namdak.
ChNNR later invited TWR to Italy to his center, where he stayed for some time, giving some teachings and lectures about Bon.
"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron
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It is very normal to listen to and recieve some teachings from different lamas in different traditions.padma norbu wrote:I was told he received some teachings from Namkhai Norbu by a DC member who would know, but I've since lost contact with that member. Receiving teachings is what I mean by student.tatpurusa wrote:TWR is not a former student of Namkhai Norbu. He is a student of Sangye Tenzin and Lopon Tenzin Namdak.padma norbu wrote: TWR is a former student of Namkhai Norbu's... I have a question about him if anyone knows the specifics of their relationship, please PM me.
He got known with ChNNR when ChNNR came to Lopon Tenzin Namdak in order to study the Zhang Zhung Nyan Gyud.
At that time TWR was living in the house of Lopon Tenzin Namdak.
ChNNR later invited TWR to Italy to his center, where he stayed for some time, giving some teachings and lectures about Bon.
It does not automatically make one to belong to all those lineages. The same way as ChNNR recieving teachings about the Zhang Zhung Nyan Gyud from Lopon Tenzin Namdak does not make him a Bonpo.
The lineage TWR follows is of the Bon masters.
You can PM me if you find it is more appropriate.
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Yeah... like I said, I didn't mean he was following Namkhai Norbu's lineage, only that he received some teachings. Do you know about this? If not, then nevermind. The back and forth is getting off topic quickly, so PM me if you still want to continue.
"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron
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Of course I cannot know what specific teachings he recieved from ChNNR.padma norbu wrote:Yeah... like I said, I didn't mean he was following Namkhai Norbu's lineage, only that he received some teachings. Do you know about this? If not, then nevermind. The back and forth is getting off topic quickly, so PM me if you still want to continue.
I am a disciple of Lopon Tenzin Namdak, but have met and participated in retreats with TWR and ChNNR quite some times too.
As far as I can judge, what TWR teaches follows only the Bon lineage. I have never heard him teaching anything specific to ChNNR.
PS. but I know about what you are referring to ..
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Cool.
If anyone else knows about their relationship a little better, please PM me. Would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
If anyone else knows about their relationship a little better, please PM me. Would greatly appreciate it. Thanks!
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First thing that reminded me of was "body thetans" in Scientology... and as much as I believe in aliens, anything resembling Scientology is something I look at askance.reddust wrote:dzogchungpa wrote:"Evaluating Eckhart" by Gaylon Ferguson:
http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.php?o ... Itemid=247OMG, i've had the same insight, profit from suffering fuels this matrix and the global population is waking up to this factFor example, Tolle tells us that we are moving to a time beyond religion, beyond spiritual ideology and mythology. “We are coming to the end not only of mythologies but also of ideologies and belief systems.” Yet A New Earth includes the invention of a new mythological entity he calls “the pain-body.” “If that sounds to you like a psychic parasite,” he says, “you are right. That's exactly what it is.” Media and the entertainment industry often feed the pain-body. Active pain-bodies can even explain many traffic accidents: “When two drivers with active pain-bodies arrive at an intersection at the same time, the likelihood of an accident is many times greater than under normal circumstances. Unconsciously they both want the accident to happen.” A teaching lineage might be helpful in clarifying the accuracy of this concept—testing it against other authoritative pronouncements and verifying the elaborations of the insight as authentic or not.
"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron
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Ha! I hadn't thought of aliens, or maybe even demons. I was told there are people who live off of negative energy as well called emotional vampires. But I was thinking more like governments and transnational corporations. You could think of them as non sentient beings, because in a way they are alive and most (not all) profit from some form of suffering which they try and resolve and promote at the same time. I am sure they are all connected on different levels of awarenesspadma norbu wrote:
First thing that reminded me of was "body thetans" in Scientology... and as much as I believe in aliens, anything resembling Scientology is something I look at askance.
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Why, you son of a...tatpurusa wrote:PS. but I know about what you are referring to ..
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You are a student of Namkhai Norbu's, aren't you? I've never heard about this pain body idea before anywhere. Googling, I see Tenzin has written about it in his books. It might be a very prevalent idea and I just never noticed. As I've said before, I forget everything constantly. It is fortunate my main practice requires so little thinking.reddust wrote:Ha! I hadn't thought of aliens, or maybe even demons. I was told there are people who live off of negative energy as well called emotional vampires. But I was thinking more like governments and transnational corporations. You could think of them as non sentient beings, because in a way they are alive and most (not all) profit from some form of suffering which they try and resolve and promote at the same time. I am sure they are all connected on different levels of awarenesspadma norbu wrote:
First thing that reminded me of was "body thetans" in Scientology... and as much as I believe in aliens, anything resembling Scientology is something I look at askance.
"Use what seems like poison as medicine. We can use our personal suffering as the path to compassion for all beings." Pema Chodron
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I've had the honor of meeting Namkhai Norbu, during retreat with him, but I do not know him very well, you know working with him. I have 3 teacher's and he is one of them. All are Dzogchen, one is a very old Monk, another is a very scholarly older laymen teacher with family, Namkhai Norbu, and the other is young, no family, very-very strong, and I had a lot of contact with him while I lived in Chicago so I could work in a group closely with a teacher. Right now I am out in the woods, literallypadma norbu wrote:
You are a student of Namkhai Norbu's, aren't you? I've never heard about this pain body idea before anywhere. Googling, I see Tenzin has written about it in his books. It might be a very prevalent idea and I just never noticed. As I've said before, I forget everything constantly. It is fortunate my main practice requires so little thinking.
By the way I like your threads and all your questions. I hope this isn't going off topic because it's interesting Eckart Tolle has contact with Tibetan Buddhism.
I have to read what exactly is the pain body. This link goes into why he thinks Vajrayana is a great tool dealing with the Pain Body, gets complicated and I do not know enough to critique Beyond The Power Of Nowid
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The thing Tenzin Wangyal was connecting with Tolle's idea of the pain body is this:
http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/sdug ... i_phung_po,
duḥkha-skandha in Sanskrit, I think.
If you go here: http://www.calameo.com/books/000039257ea5fbb9806b9, hit 'read the publication'
and search for 'Tolle' you can read the section where he discusses this.
http://rywiki.tsadra.org/index.php/sdug ... i_phung_po,
duḥkha-skandha in Sanskrit, I think.
If you go here: http://www.calameo.com/books/000039257ea5fbb9806b9, hit 'read the publication'
and search for 'Tolle' you can read the section where he discusses this.
There is not only nothingness because there is always, and always can manifest. - Thinley Norbu Rinpoche