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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby Qing Tian » Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:07 am

"Bodhi seeds" look like they have an 'eye'. Apparently this is where the stalk was attached and when the seeds are used as beads the 'eye' is usually around the circumference rather on the top or bottom.

I just restrung my more used one, the first time I have tried this. Sounds simple... yeah, right. Chanting a mantra for each seed threaded, and fiddling around with a piece of jeweler's wire to pull the thread through the holes took me nearly an hour to sort out. I guess next time an investment in a bodkin will ease the task! Also, I learned how to tie an endless knot, just for fun.

Now here's a rather weird factoid: in my country the customs office have absolutely no apparent qualms about me importing malas made with seeds of various kinds. However, I cannot import a set of juggling balls from the US that are filled with heat-treated white millet - it was for a friend, honest!
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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby padma norbu » Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:32 pm

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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby Qing Tian » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:39 pm

Nice! The colour is a lovely rich dark brown too. Mine are a bit lighter but hopefully will get a decent patina with use.

And yes, that is the 'eye' shape. The other marks and creases on the surface are just normal irregularities. These are seeds, not made of wood.
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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby padma norbu » Thu Sep 26, 2013 10:39 pm

Thanks for all your feedback! I guess I'm pretty satisfied with my new purchase, then... whatever it is! :D
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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby Adamantine » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:21 am

those holes are probably just part of the connecting points where the "eyes" are. .. sometimes the seeds naturally start to split a little at those points,.. it is not a problem, unless they actually break. in your photo the new mala beads look a little smooth for bodhi (compare to the texture on the wrist mala), but it seems with the eye pattern that it should be bodhi seed.. maybe they were sanded down a bit? not sure why anyone would take the trouble though.. also, usually if they are new the bodhi seeds are a lighter color.. they slowly get darker as the oils of your skin (or if you rub sandalwood oil into them) permeate them.. usually after years of many mantras they get dark, smooth and shiny. but not when they are new! so maybe yours were treated in some way to make them look that way... or they are used? but it's not good to use a used-by-somone-else mala because you don't know if they were keeping pure samaya and if not that could negatively impact your practice.

also, it's best if you find a few (or one) bodhi seed beads on your mala that have a triangular shape where the normal eye shape would be. this is a garuda sign/
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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby padma norbu » Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:40 pm

Yes, they were sanded down to be smaller beads. They are actually a little smaller than my wrist mala, which is also sanded down, but not quite as much. They are also new and simply oiled to be that color, which is fairly common, I think, since Hands of Tibet and all the tibetan shops around me sell that same kind of mala. My wrist mala came that color and I saw the guy in the shop put it together myself from a huge stack of new beads. The new mala was clearly oiled because the box it came in has oil spots on the top of the lid where the mala was touching.

I want to believe all these claims and rules about malas, but my mind has a natural tendency to throw it out. For every rule I'm told, there's always some story or quote from a famous teacher that negates it, you know? Some say to skip the guru bead, others say you should never skip it but need to turn the mala around and go the other way. Some say malas have power, others say it's just a tool for counting. Some say you shouldn't share, others say it doesn't matter. It reminds me of Lama Zopa's dedication to get the word out about proper prayer wheel creation with the sky wheel and earth wheel mantra and the tree of life mantra on the center spoke, but then there is the story about how someone removed the prayer wheel's mantra roll from an enemy's prayer wheel out of spite but in the end it did not hurt his practice at all. It's really impossible to know what happened to any mala before you got it, so I would hope a purification ritual would be enough to make these items not utterly useless after one person counted some mantra with them.
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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:13 pm

i have read a story where a lama tells this story that in tibet and himalaya regions people come to the lama asking them to purify and bless theyre mala because theyre enemy had touched it, and i think thats kinda missing the point of practice... If you chant om mani padme hum and enemy touches it, youve just given your enemy a blessing, but you become afraid that your mala is poisoned and needs purification.

anyway i also have been buffled how to use mala, first i did back and forth changing directions always at the guru bead. now i always cross it and go one direction.
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In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
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He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby KonchokZoepa » Mon Sep 30, 2013 4:37 am

:good: thanks
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby padma norbu » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:14 am

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Postby smcj » Mon Sep 30, 2013 5:45 am

I was taught to not cross it. However no dire consequences were described in order to make the point.
Don't take me too seriously.

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Postby KonchokZoepa » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:03 am

i used to to not cross it and i think that if you pray to you're guru for blessings while crossing the bed its good. loooking the action karmically. if you dont have any symbolic meaning of stepping on the teacher, intention of that i dont think there is any negative karma in crossing the bead.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby KonchokZoepa » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:56 am

If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby KonchokZoepa » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:58 am

If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo

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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby padma norbu » Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:49 pm

I think in Vajrayana since we have the guru relationship, it only matters what your specific teacher told you. Both of my teachers I have taken refuge with have said it does not matter if you skip the guru bead (Lama Tsering Everest and Chogyal Namkhai Norbu). Unless I am completely having false memory syndrome, which I suppose is possible. :smile: I believe I also saw a video by Tsem Tulku saying the same thing and I am quite sure I read an old piece by some highly-respected lama saying this as well, but I can't recall who, exactly. It was a long time ago.

This website has some good information on it:
http://www.khandro.net/practice_mala.htm
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Re: vajratool mala by padmasambhava and gyatrul rinpoche

Postby futerko » Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:48 pm

Thanks for the info, very interesting...

(and with the mention of Shaolin and the "quick flip", I even found myself adding some kung fu sound effects).

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Like this, mistaken ideas of discriminating wisdom are clarified."
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