Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

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Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby dzogchungpa » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:46 pm

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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby Johnny Dangerous » Tue Aug 20, 2013 1:23 am

Ah man, sad, sad, sad and nausea - inducing. I hope everyone involved can recover from the harm done, wherever they be.
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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby dzogchungpa » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:27 pm

By the time Sera Mey granted Roach the title Geshe, in 1995, some of his critics in the Buddhist community suspected that it was because of his money, not his holiness. According to one ranking monk, he "circumvented nearly 12 years of debate time. It is highly unusual. I have never heard of such an exception being made."
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Postby greentara » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:47 am

'Michael Roach, and his partner Lama Christie, at their yurt on a mountain top near Bowie, Arizona. The two practicing buddhists have a vow to always be within 15 feet of each other!" What happened....she gravitated towards Thorston? All the empty, syrupy statements, all the hyperbole!
The really sad part is that these people were teaching others.
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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby kirtu » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:50 am

greentara wrote:The really sad part is that these people were teaching others.


and they still are (at least Roach is but McNally will probably try to teach as well).

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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby smcj » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:24 am

Stuff like this is why I don't suggest to people to become Buddhists. If somebody is interested I will encourage them in a healthy direction. But they have to initiate it.

The good stuff is hard to find and very quiet. The bad stuff gets loud & everybody hears about it. I guess that's the way it has to be. :crying:
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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby greentara » Wed Aug 21, 2013 5:09 am

smcj, "The good stuff is hard to find and very quiet" That is so true. People want robes, ritual, charismatic chatter and to be part of an inner circle...cause then you're special.
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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby flavio81 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:15 pm



Everything began when he was officially disapproved by his own masters and monastery. You can't be a master of vajrayana if you have no lineage (or no respect to your lineage, or to your master). You can then still be a master, a buddhist master, but not a true Tibetan Buddhism master.

What a disaster.
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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby flavio81 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 4:19 pm

smcj wrote:Stuff like this is why I don't suggest to people to become Buddhists.


I suggest people not to go into Tibetan Buddhism. Unless they really, really feel attracted to it.

There are way too many pitfalls, too many ways to fall into the "spiritual materialism" trap, charlatans out there... Your sanga will have a lot of new-agers that will mix everything with angels, indigo kids and such. Then the tradition requieres a lot of time and effort to be genuinely understood or appreciated. And there is no "salvation guaranteed or your money back".

Plus you have to endure attacks, criticism, and derision from the people on the Theravada camp.
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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby dzogchungpa » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:15 am

He insists the tragedy of Thorson's death at Diamond Mountain is a matter of the past. "I will talk about Diamond Mountain if you want, but in three months nobody will care about what happened there. In a year, everyone will have forgotten about it." He spoke with the certainty of a man who believes he can make his own reality. He says that Diamond Mountain's days as a school are numbered anyway. "We should just make it online."

McNally is sad to hear this but not surprised. Roach, she says, told her he "hated the place" and used to call it "Demon Mountain" in private.
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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby kirtu » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:31 am

Anna Schecter's "interview" with Michael Roach as part of her Dateline piece.

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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby odysseus » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:55 am

Such people can not be called Buddhists. How can they call themselves that with a straight face?

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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby Knotty Veneer » Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:48 pm

This is back in the news again in the UK:
http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php ... ymC9IXpDdI

Apparently the fateful retreat where all this happened is due to end in a couple of weeks.
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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby Nighthawk » Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:50 pm

Saw a Dateline show based on this. Sad stuff.
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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby Berry » Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:33 pm

flavio81 wrote:Plus you have to endure attacks, criticism, and derision from the people on the Theravada camp.


Who does? - everyone interested in Tibetan Buddhism, or just you ? Please elaborate.

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Re: Sex and Death on the Road to Nirvana

Postby kirtu » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:09 pm

Pathos blog article on the Dateline piece with a clip of Thurman at the end of the article.

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