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are there any justifiable wars to a practicing buddhist?

Postby jason c » Sun Jun 10, 2012 12:29 am

sitting in meditation at a retreat, the man behind me started breathing heavy then it sounded like he had fallen over. i turned and sure enough he was passed out from some illness. myself and a few others managed to call an ambulance and get him some medical attention. he ended up being ok it was an illness he had medication for but had neglected to take. the whole meditation hall was a frenzy, everyone was so concerned so distracted, except for the monk hosting the retreat, he sat without moving a muscle, not giving a glance, seemed to pay no attention to this. when the hour was up he rang the bell, quietly got up and left the meditation hall. that evening when it was question and answer time he was flooded with questions, why didn't you get up and help? do you not care about others? the monk simply stated he was not an expert in the medical field, the man seemed to be cared for, and he was simply minding his own business.
while contemplating past and current wars i asked myself, are there any justifiable wars that a practicing buddhist could support? violence just seems to lead to more violence, a visious circle. or have we just become so culturally attatched to war that it has become a family or countries tradition(my father fought in the war and his father fought in the war.....). maybe it's simply that we respect our elders ,friends,fathers,wives, so much that we are afraid to oppose their sacrifices. it seems to me that practicing buddhists should not be supporting or taking part in any military or police activities, we should simply be minding our own business.
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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Postby mikenz66 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 1:26 am

I think that the OP argument is an unjustified conflation.

That the monk could tell that others were dealing with the situation, and didn't need to prove that he "cared" by fussing about it, it a good lesson. If circumstances were different and he could have done something more useful than what was already being done, then I suspect he would have acted.

Besides, remaining calm may be the most useful thing to do in times of stress, when others are loosing it. Ajahn Brahm sometimes talks about when a woman came into the Wat (I think this was in Thailand, I don't recall the details) distraught because her husband had died (maybe shot or something). The Abbot calmly finished his meal, and the woman calmed down considerably while waiting for him to talk to her. Making her wait was, in that circumstance, a very effective action.

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Then the Blessed One, picking up a tiny bit of dust with the tip of his fingernail, said to the monk, "There isn't even this much form...feeling...
perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."

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Postby santa100 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:30 am

Imagine the US didn't make the decision to take action during WW II, we probably would've been discussing the Dhamma in German. Actually, it's more like for those who practice "corrupted" doctrines not in line with National Socialism, they would be free to practice their faith...at Auschwitz; and worst of, our youths would probably be learning in their history class that once upon a time, there used to be an "evil" group of people called the Jews, but how wonderful it is now that they no longer exist!

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Postby rowyourboat » Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:27 am

Hi All

Our business:

"And how does one dwell in heedfulness? When a monk dwells with restraint over the faculty of the eye, the mind is not stained with forms cognizable via the eye. When the mind is not stained, there is joy. There being joy, there is rapture. There being rapture, there is serenity. There being serenity, he dwells in ease. The mind of one at ease becomes centered. When the mind is centered, phenomena (dhammas) become manifest. When phenomena are manifest, one is classed simply as one who dwells in heedfulness.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

..based on the principle:

Don't sacrifice your own welfare
for that of another,
no matter how great.
Realizing your own true welfare,
be intent on just that.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

Can we do anything more beneficial to others than becoming enlightened ourselves?
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Postby Mr Man » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:07 am

Hi Jason
A fairly standard dictionary definition of society is what I mean (the community within which we live).
Actively working against war could mean many different things. Can you think of some examples?


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