rory wrote:Son of Buddha;
Are you unaware that Honen was ordained trained and educated in Tendai on Mt. Hiei for many years of his life, so too was Shinran, when they left they were still priests who had been properly trained, they had a full buddhist education and that was my point. Found a new group if you wish but get the proper training. Amida trust ordains priests and monks/nuns without any kind of lineage. That's not good.
O yes they were ordained and trained,but their trainers did not say they were ready to by abbots and starts their own temples, nobody gave them permission to do what they did.....essentially
They left their Sanghas as excommunicated Monks and started sects against the wishes or their ordainers and trainers.
One could easilly say they were not ready to lead or be abbots if they were then the Tendai abbot who ordained them would have gave them permission to teach and head a school.
when Honen and Shinran were stripped of their ordained monk status they still continued to ordain and grow their Sanghas.
As of right now Amida Trust self ordains their priests (im not sure of the time it takes to become ordained)
Jodo Shinshu also ordains there priests and Jodo Shinshus lineages comes from an EXcomunicated monk who was not permitted to teach.....
Also if Amida Trust people want to be ordained as Jodo Shinshu priests then go to japan and take the 14 day course for initial ordination.
Peace and Love to you Rory
Also I LOVED that website you sent on the Mala thread.they had the mkst beautiful malas/juzus for a a great price.