janpeterotto wrote:Coming from a Christian background the devil was an interesting topic, a force in life, always present. But I realized after some years in the Amitabha faith that I am the devil, or rather the devil is me. And this is very liberating. It is difficult for my Christian friends to understand, they often feel the need of the dual conception. But in Amitabha the compassion works only when I admit my total depravity and ruthless devilness.
Anyone resonate with this?
If I were in your shoes, if, this is what I would identify with, in consonance with what 'Amitabha' stands for...But in Amitabha the compassion works only when I admit my total depravity and ruthless devilness.
But in Amitabha the compassion works only when I admit my total depravity and ruthless devilness.
Wayfarer wrote:I am aware of the parallels between Mara and the Devil.
Wayfarer wrote: But it is a curious fact how much less attention Mara gets (although in the Christian West, 'the devil' assumed much greater significance later in history, than at the time of the Bible.)
The Devil it's the archangel Lucifer who said "I'm born to be free - I don't serve!" In the Tree of Life the Devil goes from consciousness and harmony to intellect and logic - against all dogma, never caring for rules, freely uncompromising and independent. There are no restrictions, no limitations, nothing is forbidden. The Devil is aware of the darkness, he knows all the shadows and will go on researching even at a high price. - http://www.corax.com/tarot/cards/index.html?devil" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'm talking about Tarot deck, of course. The number of the letter "The Devil", is 15. Using the method of Numerology, 1 + 5 = 6. Now, According to the teachings of Dzogchen/Dream Yoga, Dreamwork must be performed through the six syllables - A, Aaah, Ha, Sha, Sa, Ma. Connected to the realms of Gods, Demigods, humans, animals, ghosts and hell. You have too the six yogas of Naropa. To finish, the cycly of samsara is based on birth+old age+sickness+death+rebirth= 5 and it's governed by desire+hatred+ignorance=3. 5+3=15, the number of the Devil
Wayfarer wrote:I wouldn't endorse the idea that the self or even the ego is synonymous with 'the devil'. Quite why the notion of the devil became so much more prominent in Christianity than in Buddhism is an interesting question that would take a lot of research. But as the posts above say, the fundamental idea in Buddhism is that 'mind' (being, nature) is 'originally pure' but 'obscured by adventitious defilements', a consequence of which is avidya, 'defiled cognition' (or not seeing the world right.)
But the imagery of 'devil' goes much further than - it connotes being willfully bent on mischief, destruction, and sorrow.But in Amitabha the compassion works only when I admit my total depravity and ruthless devilness.
I don't suppose your former Christianity was Calvinist, was it?
Zhen Li wrote:Jan, have you by any chance read Alan Watts' Myth and ritual in Christianity? You may find it very interesting, since it looks at Catholic Christianity from the mystical perspective, i.e. looking at how the 'myth and ritual' in Christianity can be viewed a series of symbols for human life. While he's more well known for writing on Zen, I actually think this is Alan Watts' best book. It helped me to appreciate Christian culture, while being a Buddhist, or from a Buddhist perspective. The book is available for free on the internet archive, I believe.
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