Jodo Shu vs Jodo Shinshu vs Jishu vs Yuzu Nembetsu Shu?

Jodo Shu vs Jodo Shinshu vs Jishu vs Yuzu Nembetsu Shu?

Postby ylee111 » Thu Jan 09, 2014 6:59 am

What are the main differences between the 4 schools of Japanese Pure Land?

I know:

Jodo Shu:
- repetution of Nembetsu practice
- other Bodhisattva such as Kuan Yin and Jizo represented

Jodo Shinshu:
- only Amitabha present
- Nemebetsu only needed to be said once for Pure Land admittance
- preferred by Robert Anton Wilson (founder of Discordianism and popularized the Illuminatus in modern times)

Which of the 4 is closest to Chinese Pure Land? Again I ask because these 4 are classified separately on the list of 13 Japanese Buddhism Schools by Japanese academia, and I want to learn as much as possible on these 13 schools.
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Re: Jodo Shu vs Jodo Shinshu vs Jishu vs Yuzu Nembetsu Shu?

Postby Jiko » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:55 am

I am and have been Jodo Shu for some time so I can answer this for you.

Jodo Shu is very much the same as Chinese Pure Land, Honen Shonin taught based on Shan Tao's commentary on the meditation sutra, although Jodo Shu only recites Nembutsu because it is the rightly established act in accord with the 18th Vow. Chinese pure land practice precepts and various other things, sometimes chan aswell.

Honen Shonin had visitations from Shan Tao in dreams and in Samadhi and so Jodo Shu is very much in line with the linage of Pure Land. There is much debate about Honen's Samadhi and his work the Senchakushu. If Honen did indeed attain Nembutsu Samadhi then his work the Senchakushu was a work compiled in a state of Samadhi as the dates match up. Myself I have no doubt that Honen was in Nembutsu Samadhi by the fact he recited 60 and sometimes 70,000 Nembutsu daily.

There is justice for Samadhi in this Nembutsu path, just look at recent masters like Yin Gaung, he attained the Buddha Name Samadhi and was well documented.

As for the other Nembutsu teachings after Honen, I do not have enough knowledge on them to say anything but see Honen as the authority in Japan on the pure land way so I play it safe.
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Re: Jodo Shu vs Jodo Shinshu vs Jishu vs Yuzu Nembetsu Shu?

Postby Northern Light » Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:58 pm

I'm part of the Amida sect (based in the UK) and our practice is much closer to Jodo-Shu than the other 3 schools.

We actively recite the Nembutsu, but also engage in Nei Quan and Chih Quan as auxiliary practices. If you're not aware of these practices, (anyone) google them; they are beautiful practices, where we reflect on our dependence on so many other people (Nei Quan), and then give everything in our daily experience (our good, bad and indifferent thought, actions and intents of the day) to Amida. (Chih Quan).

But they are auxiliary. They affirm our faith. But only the Nembutsu (for us 'Namo Amida Bu') is true 'practice'.

We are freely supported if we choose to do other practices (such as Mindfulness or Metta Meditations) but we must give them all as Nembutsu. We do not consider them as meritous in their own right - they are 'given' to Amida, either informally, or formally during Chih Quan.

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I don't know a lot about Jodo Shinshu, except that they see chanting solely as a thanks to Amida for an entry to the Pure Land, already granted.

I have read a little about the Yuzu Nembutsu Sect and really liked it - they are Pure Landers who are really into nondualism and consider that chanting the Nembutsu benefits all sentient beings and will contribute towards all sentient beings being born in Sukavhati.
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Re: Jodo Shu vs Jodo Shinshu vs Jishu vs Yuzu Nembetsu Shu?

Postby rory » Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:36 am

The Yuzu Nenbutsu sect regards Ryonin (1072-1132) as it's founder his understanding of Nenbutsu was based on Avatamsaka philosophy a school which I am very close to. Also the Jodo Shu website does a decent job of explaining this:
http://www.jsri.jp/English/Pureland/DOC ... mbutsu.htm

Ages ago I asked Doug to tell me about their main temple Dainenbutsuji, so read about it here:
http://jkllr.net/2009/11/02/ryonin-and- ... -nembutsu/

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Re: Jodo Shu vs Jodo Shinshu vs Jishu vs Yuzu Nembetsu Shu?

Postby PorkChop » Sat Jan 18, 2014 6:40 am

Northern Light wrote:I have read a little about the Yuzu Nembutsu Sect and really liked it - they are Pure Landers who are really into nondualism and consider that chanting the Nembutsu benefits all sentient beings and will contribute towards all sentient beings being born in Sukavhati.


Only thing I'd be wary about with the Yuzu Nembutsu Sect is their emphasis on group ritual. Part of their interconnected Nembutsu is the ceremony. If you watched the videos on the other thread, they were an official ceremony with many members participating.

Otherwise, I think the outlook of a lot of these nembutsu schools is somewhat interchangable; this is especially dependent on your local sangha. If you're practicing by yourself either way, and your local sangha is not too adamant about your viewpoint on practice, then reciting nembutsu for the good of all is more about your own motivation rather than some doctrinal standpoint. Not to out you or anything, but given Amida Shu's affinity with Jodo Shu, if you want to think of your recitations benefiting all around you, then I think there's no problem. Shoku was a student of Honen that was well aware of the entire Buddhist canon, his grand-student Ippen was one of the biggest proponents of nonduality. My point is that the aspect of the Yuzu Nembutsu practice that you like, is not necessarily outside of your own tradition.
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Re: Jodo Shu vs Jodo Shinshu vs Jishu vs Yuzu Nembetsu Shu?

Postby ylee111 » Sun Feb 02, 2014 1:25 am

Not to revive a dead thread, but I wonder if Ven Indrjala, Jikan, Astus, and others have any knowledge on this subject.
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