Ippen- Don't worry about your heart/mind.

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Ippen- Don't worry about your heart/mind.

Postby Illuminaughty » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:30 pm

I've been giving the pure land way a go and like most people I often run into doubts and worry. This immediately leads me to question of if I'm really Pure Land bound or not when I die and make the big transition. Lately I've been taking comfort in some of the words of Ippen the 13th century Japanese Nenbutus Hiriji and founder of the Ji Shu school/sect of Pure Land:



Technically he said he didn't want to form a sect but one was made up in his name after died. :shrug:

If you want to read more of his saying check out the book "No Doubt, The Record of Ippen" by Dennis Hirota.

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Re: Ippen- Don't worry about your heart/mind.

Postby Astus » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:20 pm

Shinran's teaching from :

"Although I say the nembutsu, the feeling of dancing with joy is faint with me, and I have no thought of wanting to go to the Pure Land quickly. How should it be [for a person of the nembutsu]?
When I asked the master this, he answered, "I, too, have had this question, and the same thought occurs to you, Yuien-bo!
"When I reflect deeply on it, by the very fact that I do not rejoice at what should fill me with such joy that I dance in the air and dance on the earth, I realize all the more that my birth is completely settled. What suppresses the heart that that should rejoice and keeps one from rejoicing is the action of blind passions. Nevertheless, the Buddha, knowing this beforehand, called us 'foolish beings possessed of blind passions'; thus, becoming aware that the compassionate Vow of Other Power is indeed for the sake of ourselves, who are such beings, we find it all the more trustworthy.
"Further, having no thought of wanting to go to the Pure Land quickly, we think forlornly that we may die even when we become slightly ill; this is the action of blind passions. It is hard for us to abandon this old home of pain, where we have been transmigrating for innumerable kalpas down to the present, and we feel no longing for the Pure Land of peace, where we have yet to be born. Truly, how powerful our blind passions are! But though we feel reluctant to part from this world, at the moment our karmic bonds to this saha world run out and helplessly we die, we shall go to that land. Amida pities especially the person who has no thought of wanting to go to the Pure Land quickly. Reflecting on this, we feel the great Vow of great compassion to be all the more trustworthy and realize that our birth is settled.
"If we had the feeling of dancing with joy and wishing to go to the Pure Land quickly, we might wonder if we weren't free of blind passions."
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Ippen- Don't worry about your heart/mind.

Postby Illuminaughty » Thu Sep 05, 2013 12:53 am

That's some good news too. I purchased the complete works of Shinran not long ago and I'm about half way through right now. I picked it up cheap for only 30 dollars! Nice two volume hard backed box set.

I've also found inspiration in the writings of Rennyo. Sometimes when I read him it kind of worries me though. He just seems to really stress the importance of a specific experience where faith is decisively settled and he keeps telling people in his letters again and again that they need to obtain that. Only thing is there appears to be nothing you can do to obtain it! It's like he is telling people to do something that he later goes on to say is the result of Other Power when it does happen. He also seems to hold out little hope for people who don't have this specific experience of decisively settled faith.

I think I would really like the writings of Shoku too if I could ever come across an English translation. I'll keep my fingers crossed there and maybe one will show up some day.

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Re: Ippen- Don't worry about your heart/mind.

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Fri Sep 06, 2013 2:02 am

The line from that quote from Ippen that says:
"This body is the form of our drift in the flow of impermanence,
hence from instant to instant I arises and perishes".


This is an extremely important point.
If you think you live maybe a long or short life,
and then you die, and then you go to Amida's realm,
you are still clinging to a self that is real.
in other words, you are still relying on self-power.

"Once our false thinking has completely ceased,
There is neither start nor finish, beginning nor end;
In the oneness of Buddha and sentient being
say Namu-Amida-Butsu
------------------------------------Ippen (Hymn of Amida's Vow)


This accumulation of flesh and thoughts,
takes birth and dies as the dream experience of "me"
every second, in this human realm, this Saha world.
as quickly as a fleeting thought.
That is why you do not have to wait until the day that you stop breathing.
The pure land comes to you right now.
If not so,
then how can Amida be infinite?
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Re: Ippen- Don't worry about your heart/mind.

Postby Astus » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:24 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Ippen- Don't worry about your heart/mind.

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:03 am

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The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Original painting by P.Volker /used by permission.

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Re: Ippen- Don't worry about your heart/mind.

Postby Astus » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:06 am

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Ippen- Don't worry about your heart/mind.

Postby PadmaVonSamba » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:23 pm

Profile Picture: "The Foaming Monk"
The Chinese characters are Fo (buddha) and Ming (bright). The image is of a student of Buddhism, who, imagining himself to be a monk, and not understanding the true meaning of the words takes the sound of the words literally. Likewise, People on web forums sometime seem to be foaming at the mouth.
Original painting by P.Volker /used by permission.


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