Sherab Dorje wrote:
Son of Buddha wrote:
since Enlightenment is outside of Samsara,that is why it is said that the Pure Land is not one of the 5/6 transmigations of Samsara
when the sutras say we should try to create our own Pureland it is done is done entirely inside our own minds (we cannot create a physical world)
when we become Enlightened our Pure-land comes into "existance" hence Pure-Land,Pure-Mind.
When we go to the Pure-land our spirit/consciousness/transient self goes to the Pure Mind of Amitabha Buddha
imagine freddy cruger with a positive story line.
Peace and Love
You are contradicting yourself: first you say that Enlightenment lies outside of samsara then you say our transient self (samsara) goes to the Pure Mind (enlightened mind) of Amitabha. Then you say that our Pureland is created in our (samsaric) mind.
pretty much what Pork Chop said.
I will clarify more on what I meant if that helps though
first you say that Enlightenment lies outside of samsara
Yes Enlightenment is itself Pure it has never been anything other than Enlightenment so it is not samsaric.
the Buddha Nature(Dharmakaya) is not Samsara but it does co exist inside Samsara to Enlighten living beings
“All such meanings of the letters well enable beings to purify their verbal actions. The Buddha-Nature of beings does not first become pure when assisted by letters. Why not? Because that nature is originally pure. Also, while co-existing with the five skandhas, the 18 realms and the 12 spheres [of the senses], the Buddha-Nature is not one with the five skandhas, the 18 realms and the 12 spheres.
Because of this, all beings should take refuge in the Bodhisattvas and others. Because of the [existence of the] Buddha-Nature [within them], beings are viewed with equal [non-discriminating] eyes, and there is no difference. Hence, the half-letters form the basis of all sutras, all written material, and sentences.
then you say our transient self (samsara) goes to the Pure Mind (enlightened mind) of Amitabha.
while Enlightenment is not Samsara it co-exists and intergrates samsaric beings. this is why samsaric beings can be reborn into the Pure Land to attain Enlightenment,
these beings who go to the Pure-land however still do have very subtle samsaric traces which is why they still need to practice in the Pure-Land until they attain Enlightenment there, they are not already reborn into the Pure Land Enlightened.
if they did not have any subtle Samsaric traces then there would be no need for them to practice in the Pure land until they attain Enlightenment,these beings would be reborn into the pure-land already Enlightened if they had zero samsaric traces.
(note that the land itself is perfect and you are essentially reborn as a 10th level Bodhisattva that is ready to attain Enlightenment)
this passage from the larger sutra shows "what" is reborn
"Thus, through the natural working of karma, they undergo immeasurable suffering in the three evil realms. In successive transmigrations they are reborn into different forms; their life-spans are sometimes long and sometimes short. Their transient selves, vital energy and consciousness transmigrate through the natural working of karma
Then you say that our Pureland is created in our (samsaric) mind.
when the mental obscurations that cloud the Buddha nature are removed a little bit of the Pure Land is created every time,when all obscurations are removed and only Enlightenment remains then the creation of the Pure land will be complete.
peace and love
pork chop is probably more knowledgeable on the subject so just listen to him.