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Insight Meditation and the Thai Forest Tradition

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Christopherxx
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Insight Meditation and the Thai Forest Tradition

Postby Christopherxx » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:01 pm

Hi folks,

Hi there!

Apologies if I have posted this in the wrong section. Any correction would be greatly appreciated .

I have recently become quite intrested in insight meditation.

I am aware of Mahasi and S.N.

I was wondering if there is a sticky on the subject? If not it may be a cool topic to have all the figureheads and or school of thoughts listed and then a complete explanation of the techniques (For instance Mahasi and "noting" and how this practice develops into higher level insights through use as listed in his writings and by his students.) *I did not write out a full explanation of his technique as an example because I did not want to spam the topic .

My next question is on the thai forest traditon. I believe Chah used calming and focusing exercises and then pursued insight meditation by "neutral" viewing of the arisings. Is there a more detailed account that one could provide?

Lastly for anyone with experience in the thai forest traditon which practices do monks fill their day with apart from the light chores and puja/community meditation. I am aware this tradition focuses on the code of coduct for monastics and of "right view, wisdom and concencentration" but i would love to know the practices and how they approach such practices (as each school seems to intreprete the suttas and guidelines a slightly bit different.

Thanks again!

Metta wishes

By the way, great place guys!

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Re: Insight Meditation and the Thai Forest Tradition

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:38 pm



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Re: Insight Meditation and the Thai Forest Tradition

Postby T_Hill_616 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:07 pm

This book was incredibly helpful regarding Ajahn Chah's method of Vipassana:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/083560597 ... g=at382-20

It seems he recommended starting by developing a basic concentration by following the breath at the nose tip, it doesn't have to be intense or super deep. Then view everything that arises fairly neutrally (as you said) not adding anything or taking anything away. Watch as it arises, peaks and falls away, noticing how everything that arises is impermanent, unsatisfactory and lacking a permanent self. He says to see everything as uncertain..

I'll note that this is my personal understanding from reading several books on his teachings and I have not been able to have a formal discussion with a teacher in his tradition. :anjali:

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Re: Insight Meditation and the Thai Forest Tradition

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:26 pm

Most Thai Forest teachers focus on anapanasati; the greatest of them all, in my mind, was Buddhadasa Bhikkhu.

Check out A Manual for Serious Beginners: http://what-buddha-taught.net/Books3/Bh ... athing.htm

It's important to note that most Thai Forest Teachers don't break up samatha and vipassana meditation into separate groups; like the Buddha himself, they teach Jhana, in which both insight and concentration are developed together.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Insight Meditation and the Thai Forest Tradition

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Re: Insight Meditation and the Thai Forest Tradition

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Nov 04, 2012 8:13 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Insight Meditation and the Thai Forest Tradition

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