Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby dyanaprajna2011 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:30 pm

I've recently been considering changing my school from Zen to Nichiren Buddhism, for a variety of reasons. I'm not really thrilled with the sectarianism of the various schools, but I've been hearing of independent practitioners. Does anyone here know anything about them, or have any information on them?
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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby dude » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:05 am

dyanaprajna2011 wrote:I've recently been considering changing my school from Zen to Nichiren Buddhism, for a variety of reasons. I'm not really thrilled with the sectarianism of the various schools, but I've been hearing of independent practitioners. Does anyone here know anything about them, or have any information on them?


I don't, What have you heard? Or are you talking about the groups who split from Nichiren Shoshu?
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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby DGA » Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:06 am

I can verify that independent practitioners exist, and that they practice. It's hard to generalize further than that.

I know of some persons who practice regularly at home, and occasionally with a temple or group that may be some distance away. Geography is a factor here. People practice on their own as best they can when they can't practice with others (this is true across Buddhist traditions).

What to do then? Find a way to practice that speaks to you, inspires you, and that you have the means to practice... practice it as best you can with all your heart.
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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby illarraza » Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:22 pm

In the USA, there are nearly as many independent Nichiren practitioners as there are members of organized groups, save for the Soka Gakkai [if you can call them Nichiren Buddhists]. You can check out and communicate with Independent "Nichiren" Buddhists at the Independent Sangha on yahoo groups.

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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby dyanaprajna2011 » Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:29 pm

[quote=dude]I don't, What have you heard? Or are you talking about the groups who split from Nichiren Shoshu?

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I don't think they split from any one group, they just decided that they didn't want to be part of any of the groups, like Soka Gakkai, Nichiren Shu, or Nicheren Shoshu.

[quote=illarraza]In the USA, there are nearly as many independent Nichiren practitioners as there are members of organized groups, save for the Soka Gakkai [if you can call them Nichiren Buddhists]. You can check out and communicate with Independent "Nichiren" Buddhists at the Independent Sangha on yahoo groups.

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Thank you for that info.
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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby rory » Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:27 am

Here we go the Independent Nichiren Buddhist locater:) You have to register first. But it's very helpful. http://nblocater.org/
as a Nichiren Buddhist it's very easy to be Independent as there are so many Indy Nbuddhists out there.
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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby Dharma Bum » Mon May 20, 2013 5:06 pm

Hello all

By way of introduction, I have been in times past a member of both SGI and Nichiren Shoshu temple. Kicked the tires with a small Nichiren Shu sangha that didn't last long (or maybe I just lost track of them).

Went independent some years ago. It gets lonely sometimes, and makes it easy to be lazy toward practice, but in some ways it's a better path for an old dharma bum. And nobody complains when I let the Telecaster do the chanting.

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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby robby » Sun Jun 16, 2013 6:58 am

Dharma Bum wrote:Hello all

By way of introduction, I have been in times past a member of both SGI and Nichiren Shoshu temple. Kicked the tires with a small Nichiren Shu sangha that didn't last long (or maybe I just lost track of them).

Went independent some years ago. It gets lonely sometimes, and makes it easy to be lazy toward practice, but in some ways it's a better path for an old dharma bum. And nobody complains when I let the Telecaster do the chanting.

cheers,
an old bum


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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby johntate » Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:28 pm

Hi - I joined the SGI in 1979 in San Francisco, but left them in 1986. When the Nichiren Shoshu temple and the SGI separated in 1991, I transferred with my spouse and four children to the temple. While my wife continues to align herself with the temple, I do not. Nevertheless, I continue with my morning and evening prayers to the Gohonzon with my wife at home. My children still practice and occasionally, when they visit, do Gongyo with me.

Below is a link to my silent prayers, which I hope everyone who reads this post will consider adapting as their own. They may not be for everyone but, for those who believe that enlightenment is possible without belief in the supernatural and want to free themselves of sectarian righteousness, they may be of great help to your practice.

https://sites.google.com/site/buddhistr ... nt-prayers

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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby dsaly1969 » Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:05 pm

I've made a similar switch myself in terms of my home practice towards my own independent practice. I started in SGI in the last decade but it was not the best fit for me. I explored other Buddhist options and settled into Rissho Kosei-kai which is still Lotus Sutra-centered but more "easy going" in attitude than SGI. RKK also puts a lot of focus into studying essential Buddhist teachings starting from the Theravada canon so one can understand how those develop into insights expressed in the Lotus Sutra and the teaching of ichinen sanzen. RKK places a little more practice focus on chanting excerpts from multiple chapters from the Lotus Sutra as less of marathon O-Daimoku chanting (for most English speakers this is recited in English so we understand what we are saying). At the beginning of the year I was feeling a need to back away from such a liturgical heavy practice as daily Kyoten/Gongyo (Kyoten is the RKK version of Gongyo), so I backed away into a much simpler practice of Taking Refuge in the Three Treasures, mindfulness practice, and Dharma study.

I'm now at a point where I feel the need to reintegrate Ekayana (One Vehicle - Lotus Sutra) Buddhist practices back into my practice but without being quite as liturgy heavy as before in either the SGI Gongyo or RKK Kyoten format. I guess I am moving more towards an "easy going" interpretation of HBS (Honmon Butsuryū-shū) with more primary focus on O-Daimoku chanting only and studying the Lotus Sutra and core Buddhist teachings as part of Dharma study. So instead of all of the formal liturgical elements of Kyoten my twice daily practice would look like this: a brief Buddhadharma study of the Lotus Sutra and core materials (I still find "Buddhism for Today" by Nikkyo Niwano of RKK is still a good work to connect the Lotus Sutra to core essential Buddhist teachings and how they build upon each other). If I feel the need for sitting meditation, I can always do shodaigyo. Technically I am still a member of RKK but tend to prefer daily home practice to larger meetings.

What kind of independent practice were you moving towards?
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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby Jechan » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:04 am

Hey sdaly1969,
I saw in a post that you said you are leaning toward HBS? Thats great!
Im a HBS practitioner and would love to answer any questions you may have. Just send me a PM if theres anything youd like to know.
In the meantime check out this great blog by Ryosetsu Ikemoto, a young monk and attendant to the current HBS head priest.

http://ryosetsu.com

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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby dsaly1969 » Tue Jul 14, 2015 7:53 pm

I'm interested in HBS's style of practice, but I'm not sure if I am a good fit for traditional Nichiren Buddhist organizations as I have less interest in shakubuku (frankly my ongoing health issues do not allow me to put much energy into debate and argument anymore) or pressure to attend meetings or long daimoku toso sessions. That was a major reason I switched from Soka Gakkai (SGI) to Rissho Kosei-kai in the first place. The only thing that was really changed after a few years in RKK is that I want to put more practice focus on O-Daimoku rather than sutra recitation than is customary in RKK practice. Other than that I have nothing bad to say about RKK or SGI for that matter.
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Re: Independent Nichiren Buddhists?

Postby illarraza » Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:22 pm

dsaly1969 wrote:I'm interested in HBS's style of practice, but I'm not sure if I am a good fit for traditional Nichiren Buddhist organizations as I have less interest in shakubuku (frankly my ongoing health issues do not allow me to put much energy into debate and argument anymore) or pressure to attend meetings or long daimoku toso sessions. That was a major reason I switched from Soka Gakkai (SGI) to Rissho Kosei-kai in the first place. The only thing that was really changed after a few years in RKK is that I want to put more practice focus on O-Daimoku rather than sutra recitation than is customary in RKK practice. Other than that I have nothing bad to say about RKK or SGI for that matter.


Nichiren would agree with you...

"But for your person as a householder the essence is for you to chant 'Namu Myoho renge kyo' with no other thought and also make offerings to the monks. And also, if it is in accord with the sutra text, one should also 'expound it according to one's strength,' shouldn't one?" [Reply to Lord Matsuno]

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