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defending buddhism?

Postby befriend » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:26 pm

i know there is a sutra where buddha says what his followers should do or not do when someone is bad mouthing the teachings. i just havent read it. any info would be welcomed thanks. puja.
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Re: defending buddhism?

Postby cooran » Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:34 pm

Hello befriend,

This might be of assistance:

SN 7.2 Akkoso Sutta: Abuse
translated from the Pali by Maurice O'Connell Walshe
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .wlsh.html

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Re: defending buddhism?

Postby retrofuturist » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:29 am

Greetings Befriend,

The following may be of interest...

AN 10.93: Ditthi Sutta
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

... although this approach does require being knowledgeable in what the Buddha taught as a pre-requisite.

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Re: defending buddhism?

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Re: defending buddhism?

Postby cooran » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:25 am

Hello plwk,

Leigh Brassington says he did not translate that sutta – he merely edited it - and that he would advise people to use Bhikkhu Bodhi’s translation at AtoI.
Good find though.

Bhikkhu Bodhi's translations excerpt:

5. "If, bhikkhus, others speak in dispraise of me, or in dispraise of the Dhamma, or in dispraise of the Sangha, you should not give way to resentment, displeasure, or animosity against them in your heart. For if you were to become angry or upset in such a situation, you would only be creating an obstacle for yourselves. If you were to become angry or upset when others speak in dispraise of us, would you be able to recognize whether their statements are rightly or wrongly spoken?"
"Certainly not, Lord."

"If, bhikkhus, others speak in dispraise of me, or in dispraise of the Dhamma, or in dispraise of the Sangha, you should unravel what is false and point it out as false, saying: 'For such and such a reason this is false, this is untrue, there is no such thing in us, this is not found among us.'

6. "And if, bhikkhus, others speak in praise of me, or in praise of the Dhamma, or in praise of the Sangha, you should not give way to jubilation, joy, and exultation in your heart. For if you were to become jubilant, joyful, and exultant in such a situation, you would only be creating an obstacle for yourselves. If others speak in praise of me, or in praise of the Dhamma, or in praise of the Sangha, you should acknowledge what is fact as fact, saying: 'For such and such a reason this is a fact, this is true, there is such a thing in us, this is found among us.'
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .bodh.html

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Re: defending buddhism?

Postby befriend » Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:43 am

thank you.
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