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conspiracy theory threads

Postby tiltbillings » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:46 am

(not speaking as a moderator:) Quite honestly, all the various conspiracy theories strike me as a bottomless well of unwholesome, unhealthy, and negative mental productions that are endless in their permutations, resisting any counter-arguments. There are plenty of forums, e-lists, and the like out there that we really do not need to infect a Dhamma forum with them.

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Re: conspiracy theory threads

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:11 am

I agree in principle, but one person's conspiracy theory is another person's widely-accepted proven truth,* so it's a bit hard to police.
Insisting on Right Speech may help, and may have to be enough. Anything untrue can be challenged - politely, of course.

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*example: Global Warming is a giant conspiracy of money-grubbing pseudo-scientists according to an adjunct lecturer at my local University.

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Re: conspiracy theory threads

Postby danieLion » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:26 am

there are conspiracies, and then there conspiracy theories, and rarely the twain will meet
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Postby mikenz66 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:29 am

When I was a grad student one of the members of the Kennedy investigation visited our campus. I forget his name, but he worked on the image-enhancement team, and gave an interesting talk about the various extra gunmen that were claimed to be on photos of the "grassy knoll" (among other places).

A few years later (in the mid 80s) I had the pleasure of attending several seminars by Norman Ramsey, who was awarded a Nobel prize soon after.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Foster_Ramsey,_Jr.

He led the acoustics team in the enquiry, and he played us the tape that supposedly showed that there were several more gunshots. One downside of that evidence is that it is the transmission from a stuck mic on a police motorcycle, recorded back at the station. So the tape is basically engine noise. Norman played it and gave visual clues where the gunshots supposedly were. Apart from the noise problem, I recall that it turned out (from commercial radio signals that found their way on the tape) that the supposed shots were at a different time from the actual shots.

At the final meeting Norman recalls overhearing a conversation that went roughly like:
"Hmm, looks like there's no good evidence for a conspiracy."
"Well, that just proves how good a conspiracy it was!"

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Re: conspiracy theory threads

Postby PeterB » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:33 am

Papanca thy name is Conspiracy Theory....as Cooran's sig says " the trouble is you think you have time "...

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Re: conspiracy theory threads

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:45 am

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"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: conspiracy theory threads

Postby chownah » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:52 am

Yeah......the idea that Nixon conspired to hide the truth about Watergate is total rubbish.....and the theories that certain parts of the US gov't apparatus conspired with a Cuban exile force to overthrow the Castro gov't at the Bay of PIgs in Cuba is another one of those crazy tin foil hat theories.......I guess......
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Re: conspiracy theory threads

Postby chownah » Fri Oct 14, 2011 12:29 pm

Yeah and that ridiculous conspiracy theory about Oliver North (Colonel, US army at the time) illegally selling military arms to the Iranian revolutionary regime controvening a breach of the US gov't's total embargo of Iran at the time...and thena the money raised used to finance an illegal contra army to fight the gov't of Nicaragua......how absurd.....
And that crazy conspiracy theory about how CIA controlled aircraft was used to fly cocaine and other illegal substances northward from El Salvador.....

How do these crazy conspiracy theories get started???? The actual existence of facts which support these crazy theories should be totally ignored.....conspiracy theories are all stupid and we should ignore them and any facts which support them completely....always....without exception....
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Re: conspiracy theory threads

Postby saltspring » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:26 pm

I agree, conspiracy theories promote negativity and seem to take up peoples lives in unwholesome ways. I have seen this with family members and its just tiresome and sad. Thanks for this thread Tilt.

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