Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby Ben » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:01 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby rowyourboat » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:17 am

Hi Ben

I think we all know at some level that we are giving rise to the destruction of beings. If we are honest with ourselves our practice can deepen.

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby Ben » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:26 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby rowyourboat » Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:54 am

Hi Ben

I think we are on the same page, slightly different emphasis. Yes, of course, intention is king. But aren't there those few times when you knew that taking those antibiotics is going to kill, in the back of your mind, but nevertheless took them?

It is inspiring to see how precepts are being held up in this thread. It is something be encouraged.

It is also interesting to consider how much of our attitudes towards suicide may be influence by Christian value systems still remaining unchanged deeply buried in our minds. -we attempt to bend the Buddha's words accordingly.

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby Ben » Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:14 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby Popo » Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:48 pm

[Speculative alert]

Could Channa's suicide also have been blameless because his physical pain made him un-useful to the non-awakened?
I mean, from what little I understand, an arahant lives as a field of merit and to lead other people as an example. They don't live for personal enjoyment.
Seeing a bhikku writhing might have disturbed worldly people or made them think that Nibbana doesn't exist ("Look at that arahant writhe and moan! What's the point in liberation if we'll still suffer?")..
His death could have been consistent with compassion (since he didn't want to harm the faithful and possibly wouldn't be in a position to teach with his illness) and it could have been consistent with a lack of aversion (since he didn't suffer while in pain even if he appeared to from the outside).

[/idle speculation]
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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:11 am

This thread will be reopened after off-topic stuff is moved to a new thread and the original thread moved back to it original place.

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:24 am

Please stay on open topic. If you are uncertain as what that is, please review . Questions of whether or not the Buddha committed suicide can be discussed at the following thread:

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby Ben » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:13 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby Alex123 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:18 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby Alex123 » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:26 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Suicide and Euthanasia according to Theravada

Postby Ben » Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:30 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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