Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Anders » Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:02 am

Moment-to-moment rebirth is a fine teaching. I think DN might have been referring to the trend of taking this as an alternative explanation of conventional rebirth (that is to say, people who say "I believe in rebirth! But when you die, that is the end of the game anyway. That kind of rebirth is old superstitious etc.") rather than a deeper elaboration of it.
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As your companion in practice"

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Anders » Thu Apr 21, 2011 10:43 am

"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Astus » Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:18 pm

Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Astus » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:22 pm

To avoid off topic posts:
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.



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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Dechen Norbu » Thu Apr 21, 2011 5:40 pm

Excellent posting Anders, thank you. Great reading you gave me, back there. :namaste:
Also, yes you are completely right, I meant moment to moment rebirth in the way you've said. Should have been clearer. Correctly understood it's an excellent teaching, that IMO helps understanding literal rebirth even better. I was going to say why, but you guys know it already, so I'll spare you a long unnecessary post. :lol:

You may be right and there aren't that much Zen practitioners with this sort of ideas. Maybe the ones that exist are just quite noisy in the virtual world of the internet. I remember two fellows, Theravada practitioners (so, not Zen) that had a beef with the notion of literal rebirth. They have every right to their opinions. Nevertheless, in all the buddhist boards I knew, if you had a thread about rebirth, there they were making their points. It was something rather unbelievable. Seemed like an obsession. But in fact, there weren't many practitioners spousing the same opinions. Only a few, but a loud few. Probably the similar case with these Zen folks.

Thank you once again for the excellent post. :twothumbsup:

Thank you for the PDF, Astus. Haven't had the opportunity to read it just yet, but it seems great. :thanks:

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Grigoris » Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:50 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Anders » Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:17 pm

Brothers, :namaste:

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devilyoudon't, I suppose it does. I am not sure that is all the explanation for this tendency, but maybe a fair piece of the puzzle.
"Even if my body should be burnt to death in the fires of hell
I would endure it for myriad lifetimes
As your companion in practice"

--- Gandavyuha Sutra

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby LastLegend » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:11 am

If we cannot detach from eating (a big attachment) for example, we cannot reach Enlightenment or Emptiness. So we know what practice constitutes. There is no easy way out even via Pure Land. If we are going to be attached to this life, earth, and body...we will not achieve Enlightenment...so be aware of the lofty talks and ideas which is nothing more than fantasies.
NAMO AMITABHA
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NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:56 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Grigoris » Sun Apr 24, 2011 3:35 pm

"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

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འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

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"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Malcolm » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:01 pm





འ༔ ཨ༔ ཧ༔ ཤ༔ ས༔ མ༔


Free of hope and fear, relax.
Human life spent in
a state of great spaciousness is enjoyable.


— Kunzang Dechen Lingpa

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Grigoris » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:14 pm

Hhhhhmmmm... the ten thousand dollar question... Let me see... Let me see... Ummmmmm...
I'll go for option two since it includes both option one and three!
Did I guess right?
Did I win the prize? :woohoo:
:namaste:
"My religion is not deceiving myself."
Jetsun Milarepa 1052-1135 CE

"Butchers, prostitutes, those guilty of the five most heinous crimes, outcasts, the underprivileged: all are utterly the substance of existence and nothing other than total bliss."
The Supreme Source - The Kunjed Gyalpo
The Fundamental Tantra of Dzogchen Semde

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby LastLegend » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:19 am

I am full of delusion I know that for I am not enlightened yet.
NAMO AMITABHA
NAM MO A DI DA PHAT (VIETNAMESE)
NAMO AMITUOFO (CHINESE)

Bodhidharma [my translation]
―I come to the East to transmit this clear knowing mind without constructing any dharma―

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

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Re: Tibetan Interest in EA Buddhism

Postby Astus » Tue May 03, 2011 8:00 pm

"The attitudes of the Tibetan Lamas from the eleventh century until today toward Chan have been, by and large, exceedingly negative, except for certain Nyingmapas like Longchenpa and Urgyan Lingpa. The Tibetan Lamas are content with their Indian-derived traditions as representing the authentic corpus of the Buddha's teachings. They have had absolutely no interest in the post-eighth-century developments of Buddhism in China, including Chan, and have had little or no contact personally with the Chinese teachers of Chan and the Japanese teachers of Zen. ... This Olympian disinterest, if not disdain, for non-Tibetan manifestations of Buddhism clearly represents a feeling on the part of Tibetans of their cultural superiority more than anything else. "
(John Myrdhin Reynolds: The Golden Letters, p. 223)
Myriad dharmas are only mind.
Mind is unobtainable.
What is there to seek?

If the Buddha-Nature is seen,
there will be no seeing of a nature in any thing.

Neither cultivation nor seated meditation —
this is the pure Chan of Tathagata.

With sudden enlightenment to Tathagata Chan,
the six paramitas and myriad means
are complete within that essence.




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