Nothing Exists

Nothing Exists

Postby Jamyang_Tsering » Thu May 22, 2014 9:26 am

Love this koan!

Yamaoka Tesshu, as a young student of Zen, visited one master after another. He called upon Dokuon of Shokoku.

Desiring to show his attainment, he said: "The mind, Buddha, and sentient beings, after all, do not exist. The true nature of phenomena is emptiness. There is no relaization, no delusion, no sage, no mediocrity. There is no giving and nothing to be received."

Dokuon, who was smoking quietly, said nothing. Suddenly he whacked Yamaoka with his bamboo pipe. This made the youth quite angry.

"If nothing exists," inquired Dokuon, "where did this anger come from?"

Gosho :namaste:
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Re: Nothing Exists

Postby oushi » Thu May 22, 2014 10:50 am

Immediate remedy for a serious illness.
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Re: Nothing Exists

Postby plwk » Thu May 22, 2014 11:03 am

Immediate grounds for an assault lawsuit....nowadays
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Re: Nothing Exists

Postby Astus » Thu May 22, 2014 11:10 am

Platform Sutra, chapter 9 (tr McRae, BDK edition, p 77-78):

Shenhui said, “Nonabiding is the fundamental, and seeing is the master.”
The master said, “What will this novice say next!”
Shenhui then asked, “When Your Reverence sits in meditation, does he see or not?”
The master struck Shenhui with his staff three times and said, “When I hit you, does it hurt or not?”
[Shenhui] answered, “It both hurts and does not hurt.”

The master said, “I also see and do not see.”
Shenhui asked, “What is this seeing and also not seeing?”
The master said, “My seeing is to see constantly my own mind’s errors. I do not see other people’s right and wrong or good and evil. This is to see and also not to see. You said it hurts and does not hurt. How about this? If you do not hurt, then you’re the same as a tree or rock. If you hurt, then you’re the same as an ordinary [unenlightened] person, who would become resentful.When you just said ‘seeing and also not seeing’ [you thought] they were two extremes, and your ‘hurts and does not hurt’ were [your misconception of] birth and death. But you don’t see your self-nature, so you’re just playing around.”
Shenhui bowed in gratitude.
"There is no such thing as the real mind. Ridding yourself of delusion: that's the real mind."
(Sheng-yen: Getting the Buddha Mind, p 73)

“Don’t rashly seek the true Buddha;
True Buddha can’t be found.
Does marvelous nature and spirit
Need tempering or refinement?
Mind is this mind carefree;
This face, the face at birth."

(Nanyue Mingzan: Enjoying the Way, tr. Jeff Shore; T51n2076, p461b24-26)
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Re: Nothing Exists

Postby Jamyang_Tsering » Thu May 22, 2014 2:38 pm

oushi wrote:Immediate remedy for a serious illness.


Interesting you mentioned this but there is a guy whos treatment for all sorts of ilness is hiting people with sticks. :applause:
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Re: Nothing Exists

Postby Jesse » Thu May 22, 2014 9:57 pm

DharmaWheel Should invest in buying sticks for our moderators. I can see them being used alot.
"We know nothing at all. All our knowledge is but the knowledge of schoolchildren. The real nature of things we shall never know." - Albert Einstein
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Re: Nothing Exists

Postby asunthatneversets » Thu May 22, 2014 10:06 pm

Jesse wrote:DharmaWheel Should invest in buying sticks for our moderators. I can see them being used alot.

Definitely. They need to play catch up with the rest of the forum members who use their sticks incessantly...

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Re: Nothing Exists

Postby Jesse » Thu May 22, 2014 10:08 pm

Poor Elephant.
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Re: Nothing Exists

Postby asunthatneversets » Thu May 22, 2014 10:56 pm

Jesse wrote:Poor Elephant.

Ha I think it's a horse, it's supposed to be at least.
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Re: Nothing Exists

Postby dude » Fri May 23, 2014 10:24 am

Astus wrote:Platform Sutra, chapter 9 (tr McRae, BDK edition, p 77-78):

Shenhui said, “Nonabiding is the fundamental, and seeing is the master.”
The master said, “What will this novice say next!”
Shenhui then asked, “When Your Reverence sits in meditation, does he see or not?”
The master struck Shenhui with his staff three times and said, “When I hit you, does it hurt or not?”
[Shenhui] answered, “It both hurts and does not hurt.”

The master said, “I also see and do not see.”
Shenhui asked, “What is this seeing and also not seeing?”
The master said, “My seeing is to see constantly my own mind’s errors. I do not see other people’s right and wrong or good and evil. This is to see and also not to see. You said it hurts and does not hurt. How about this? If you do not hurt, then you’re the same as a tree or rock. If you hurt, then you’re the same as an ordinary [unenlightened] person, who would become resentful.When you just said ‘seeing and also not seeing’ [you thought] they were two extremes, and your ‘hurts and does not hurt’ were [your misconception of] birth and death. But you don’t see your self-nature, so you’re just playing around.”
Shenhui bowed in gratitude.


good lesson, Astus, thank you.
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