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Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

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Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Spiny O'Norman » Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:42 pm

Sutta descriptions of dukkha include bodily pain. The suttas describe the Buddha as experiencing bodily pain, but did he experience them as dukkha?

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby reflection » Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:28 pm

Also, because sickness is defined as dukkha, and sickness is often coupled with pain, I would say again pain = dukkha. So even a Buddha has some dukkha left.

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby santa100 » Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:29 pm

To the Buddha, when there's physical pain, it's just a feeling of physical pain, it's not He, Him, nor Himself..

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby kirk5a » Thu Mar 01, 2012 2:53 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby DarwidHalim » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:36 pm

If Buddha has dukka, Buddha has grasping.

If Buddha has grasping, he is a fake Buddha.
I am not here nor there.
I am not right nor wrong.
I do not exist neither non-exist.
I am not I nor non-I.
I am not in samsara nor nirvana.
To All Buddhas, I bow down for the teaching of emptiness. Thank You!

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby kirk5a » Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:54 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby tiltbillings » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:11 pm

Why would anyone think that the word dukkha is being used in exactly the same way in all instances throughout the suttas?

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Postby Prasadachitta » Thu Mar 01, 2012 4:56 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby kirk5a » Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:41 pm

"When one thing is practiced & pursued, ignorance is abandoned, clear knowing arises, the conceit 'I am' is abandoned, latent tendencies are uprooted, fetters are abandoned. Which one thing? Mindfulness immersed in the body." -AN 1.230

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha?

Postby Prasadachitta » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:13 pm

"Beautifully taught is the Lord's Dhamma, immediately apparent, timeless, of the nature of a personal invitation, progressive, to be attained by the wise, each for himself." Anguttara Nikaya V.332

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha? Sure.

Postby Bothi » Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:57 pm

No one can cover up the natural truth! Bodily pain, any sort of aching is suffering for sure. No matter who is feeling this, whether Buddha or any lay person always shall feel physical pain. If and only if, any tranquilizer was used, the person may not feel the pain. So Buddha clearly feels the suffering. Because suffering does not have only one origin.
All sufferings do not depend on attachment...For bodily pains no attachment can be shown as an origin.

Lets all be mindful,

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Re: Did the Buddha experience dukkha? Sure.

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