Impermanence

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Impermanence

Postby waimengwan » Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:55 pm

Can someone let me know which part of the Lamrim (Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand) talks about impermanence.

What is everyone views about impermanence anything good that comes out of it?

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Re: Impermanence

Postby wukong » Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:19 pm

All things come out of impermanence. My favourite of them is chocolate

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Re: Impermanence

Postby heart » Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:34 pm

wukong wrote:All things come out of impermanence. My favourite of them is chocolate


:smile:

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Re: Impermanence

Postby Son » Mon Aug 20, 2012 12:17 am

waimengwan wrote:Can someone let me know which part of the Lamrim (Liberation in the Palm of Your Hand) talks about impermanence.

What is everyone views about impermanence anything good that comes out of it?


Impermanence is just one of existence's qualities, the other two being emptiness and unsatisfactoriness. They are most importantly understood together. For example, what is impermanent is also empty and thus unsatisfactory. What is empty cannot be permanent, thus it is unsatisfactory. All that these qualities apply to is called samsara.

So it is a very, very virtuous notion to focus on and contemplate. What comes from impermanence is empty and unsatisfying, what comes from emptiness is impermanent and unsatisfying, what comes from unsatisfactoriness is impermanent and empty. The release from these qualities is pure bliss, and the absolute end of suffering. In the sense of their unfathomable importance, they are sort of equal to the Hindu trinity of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva.

So, this is my perspective on the matter.

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Re: Impermanence

Postby viniketa » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:31 am

waimengwan wrote:What is everyone views about impermanence anything good that comes out of it?


Precious human life - with the ability to enjoy impermanent chocolate! :twothumbsup:
If they can sever like and dislike, along with greed, anger, and delusion, regardless of their difference in nature, they will all accomplish the Buddha Path.. ~ Sutra of Complete Enlightenment

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Re: Impermanence

Postby waimengwan » Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:12 pm

Chocolates are made to be impermanent for sure :)

@Son thank you for your sharing. I have not heard about from emptiness we derive dissatisfaction and impermanence, thats new to me. Coz I thought from realising emptiness you are free from the ignorance of how things really are. How can realisation from emptiness bring about more dissatisfaction. If I am off tangent please correct me.

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Re: Impermanence

Postby Son » Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:14 am

waimengwan wrote:Chocolates are made to be impermanent for sure :)

@Son thank you for your sharing. I have not heard about from emptiness we derive dissatisfaction and impermanence, thats new to me. Coz I thought from realising emptiness you are free from the ignorance of how things really are. How can realisation from emptiness bring about more dissatisfaction. If I am off tangent please correct me.


What is empty is impermanent and unsatisfactory. For example the body is empty, and thus impermanent and unsatisfactory.

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Re: Impermanence

Postby waimengwan » Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:59 pm

What is empty is impermanent and unsatisfactory. For example the body is empty, and thus impermanent and unsatisfactory.


Thank you.

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Re: Impermanence

Postby lucidaromulus » Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:45 pm

i believe impermanence is in the small scope teachings of the lam rim.

just sharing my experience. i'm quite a newbie in engaged Buddhism. (in my country we all think we are Buddhist when we offer incense daily to the Buddha or Chenrezig :lol: i thought that was all until i read the lam rim)

perhaps a short and effective way to contemplate on impermanence would be the "All compounded things are impermanent" from the four seals of Buddhism.
and also contemplate on the "Suffering of Change" which stated in sutra is “The suffering of change is that which is pleasant when arising, pleasant when remaining, but painful when ceasing.” this comes from the Three types of suffering.

we love to perceive things as permanent due to our attachment. however, through these contemplations or meditations(habituating the mind) above i believe one should be able to develop renunciation.

Just as the three poisons are "attachment" , "aversion" and "ignorance" we should use it to help us develop their "good" :lol: counterparts "renunciation", "boddhicitta" and "emptiness/wisdom".

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Re: Impermanence

Postby SunRay » Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:00 pm

I feel that the positive thing coming out of impermanence is that Samsara is impermanent. The suffering is only a temporary condition. In the end every sentient being will be liberated. Once all the clouds have dissolved there is only Clear Light. In Lam-Rim impermanence is the beginning, in the middle, and in the end. Lam-Rim is the manifestation of the two truths and the method of realizing them.

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Re: Impermanence

Postby SunRay » Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:25 pm

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