Protectors How do I choose one?

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Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby Kaung » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:05 pm

I think protector practice is important to vajrayana practice But the problem is how do I pick one out from the big array :shrug: Palden Lhamo has matched my needs but I think I should get some advice from you before I make a decision I've researched her sadhanas and found two reliable ones but both of them call for "generating as Yamantaka " :thinking:
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:46 pm

i would recommend Achi Chökyi Drolma.

you can receive her empowerment online from a webcast From Garchen Rinpoche so that would i guess authorize you to do her practice.
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You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Fri Apr 25, 2014 12:52 pm

Kaung wrote:I think protector practice is important to vajrayana practice But the problem is how do I pick one out from the big array :shrug: Palden Lhamo has matched my needs but I think I should get some advice from you before I make a decision I've researched her sadhanas and found two reliable ones but both of them call for "generating as Yamantaka " :thinking:
Protector practices are not really a pick and choose situation. If you find a sadhana, you still need the oral transmission (lung) of the sadhana and it's associated mantra.

Go ask your teacher for a practice as protectors tend to be somewhat lineage specific.

Achi Chökyi Drolma, for example, is specific to the Drikung Kagyu lineage.

Generation as a deity requires empowerment (wang).

Vajrayana, in general, requires a teacher at the very least and a guru in the best circumstance.
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:10 pm

Sherab i think this is the guy who lives in Myanmar which is quite a poor country so it might not be possible to receive lung or wang or even meet a teacher.

that is why i recommended Garchen Rinpoches webcast empowerment, that he can access.

But anyways Sherab Dorje is right.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby ngodrup » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:10 pm

Achi Drolma is a good choice because, although she is specific to the Drikung Kagyu,
She is also practiced by some Gelugpas-- especially at Sera Me.
She also appears in the Rinchen Ter Dzod, so some Nyingmapas like her too. ;)
She's classed as a peaceful protector.

You cannot go wrong with six arm Mahakala-- loved by all four traditions,
or Palden Lhamo.

Consider that the activity of male protectors is generally dispelling outer obstacles,
and the female ones are more connected with dispelling inner obstacles.

If you have heard some dzogchen teachings, there are three protectors specific to that.
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Fri Apr 25, 2014 4:55 pm

could be, maybe Garchen Rinpoche just confers webcast empowerments to plant seeds to grow and sprout in the future.

well i think one practice you can do and it won't hurt to receive the online recorded empowerment of Achi, anyway the practice you could do i think I'm not sure is a smoke offering to Achi, that doesn't include self generation i think. i don't have the same sadhana thats on Garchen's store but i think smoke offering is safe to do without empowerment. you could contact Garchen Rinpoches sangha from the webstore and ask if its ok to do the smoke offering without empowerment.
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

OMMANIPADMEHUNG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls6P9tOYmdo
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby Sherab Dorje » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:21 pm

Discussion on the validity of recorded empowerments split here.
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby ngodrup » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:29 pm

For me, it seems I fall into the view of
"it possible" but not necessarily desirable.

For beginners, teachings, transmissions and empowerments
are best received in person. *If* a qualified student has faith,
trust and mental flexibility, and a qualified Master has the
intention, then based in Mind being unlimited, transmission
can occur. Time brings another factor into the equation.
Whereas time is a concept, it doesn't limit the Wisdom Mind
which both gives and receives the empowerment. But does
a beginner have capacity?

I asked H. H. Penor Rinpoche this and other questions in person,
face to face. He invited people to give him a photo for inclusion
in the mandala when he was giving certain empowerments. We
also asked him if a dharma friend or vajra-sibling can visualize
the friend who is unable to be present-- can that person then receive
the empowerment? He said it was "possible." Same for internet or
other kind of broadcast-- possible. He thought certain other criteria
might need to be present.

The picture method looks to me something like Naydren for the deceased.
Give empowerment to the photo-- the person represented doesn't especially
know when. But maybe they do. Hard to say.
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby JKhedrup » Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:33 pm

Since this is the Gelug forum it is worth mentioning that Lama Tzongkhapa exhorted his followers to practice three protectors that he connected with the three scopes of Lam Rim.

Kalarupa, Vaishravana and Six Armed Mahakala. It is also worth noting that Achi Chokyi Drolma is propitiated at Sera Mey as well.

In order to be qualified for self generation as Yamantaka, an Anuttarayoga deity, you definitely need to receive the empowerment.
In order to ensure my mind never comes under the power of the self-cherishing attitude,
I must obtain control over my own mind.
Therefore, amongst all empowerments, the empowerment that gives me control over my mind is the best,
and I have received the most profound empowerment with this teaching.
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby conebeckham » Fri Apr 25, 2014 7:01 pm

JKhedrup wrote:Since this is the Gelug forum it is worth mentioning that Lama Tzongkhapa exhorted his followers to practice three protectors that he connected with the three scopes of Lam Rim.

Kalarupa, Vaishravana and Six Armed Mahakala. It is also worth noting that Achi Chokyi Drolma is propitiated at Sera Mey as well.

In order to be qualified for self generation as Yamantaka, an Anuttarayoga deity, you definitely need to receive the empowerment.


And I assume you need the Jenangs for the protectors, as well.
My post about Yamaraja, AKA Kalarupa, being the "safest" for a Gelukpa without empowerment, got moved. But I'd be interested in your thoughts, JKhedrup, about whether supplication of Kalarupa is appropriate for those without empowerments....
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby JKhedrup » Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:40 am

In general in a group setting the general praises to Kalarupa can be recited by everyone.

To do this as a personal practice requires empowerment. Generally those with Yamantaka empowerment can engage in the torma offering and praise contained within the Long Yamantaka sadhana.

More elaborate practices require initiation into Kalarupa. However there are some lamas who are more flexible about this. Lama Zopa Rinpoche says for the 64 Offerings to Kalarupa practice a Yamantaka empowerment is sufficient.

It is also worth noting that Kalarupa has different manifestations: outer and inner for example
The inner forms tend to be kept more hidden, though Tsongkhapa's praise to inner Kalarupa is quite commonly recited.
In order to ensure my mind never comes under the power of the self-cherishing attitude,
I must obtain control over my own mind.
Therefore, amongst all empowerments, the empowerment that gives me control over my mind is the best,
and I have received the most profound empowerment with this teaching.
-Atisha Dipamkara
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby Kaung » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:23 am

ngodrup wrote:For me, it seems I fall into the view of
"it possible" but not necessarily desirable.

For beginners, teachings, transmissions and empowerments
are best received in person. *If* a qualified student has faith,
trust and mental flexibility, and a qualified Master has the
intention, then based in Mind being unlimited, transmission
can occur. Time brings another factor into the equation.
Whereas time is a concept, it doesn't limit the Wisdom Mind
which both gives and receives the empowerment. But does
a beginner have capacity?

I asked H. H. Penor Rinpoche this and other questions in person,
face to face. He invited people to give him a photo for inclusion
in the mandala when he was giving certain empowerments. We
also asked him if a dharma friend or vajra-sibling can visualize
the friend who is unable to be present-- can that person then receive
the empowerment? He said it was "possible." Same for internet or
other kind of broadcast-- possible. He thought certain other criteria
might need to be present.

The picture method looks to me something like Naydren for the deceased.
Give empowerment to the photo-- the person represented doesn't especially
know when. But maybe they do. Hard to say.

I totally agree it's a difficult to answer but worth brainstorming topic :twothumbsup:
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby Kaung » Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:41 am

[quote="JKhedro

Kalarupa, Vaishravana and Six Armed Mahakala. It is also worth noting that Achi Chokyi Drolma is propitiated at Sera Mey as well.
Achi chokyi is venerated at Sera Mey ?Well I do like her but avoided her cos she's not "Gelug" ;) But now I have a reason to do her practice :mrgreen:
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby Konchog1 » Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:37 am

JKhedrup wrote:In general in a group setting the general praises to Kalarupa can be recited by everyone.

To do this as a personal practice requires empowerment. Generally those with Yamantaka empowerment can engage in the torma offering and praise contained within the Long Yamantaka sadhana.

More elaborate practices require initiation into Kalarupa. However there are some lamas who are more flexible about this. Lama Zopa Rinpoche says for the 64 Offerings to Kalarupa practice a Yamantaka empowerment is sufficient.

It is also worth noting that Kalarupa has different manifestations: outer and inner for example
The inner forms tend to be kept more hidden, though Tsongkhapa's praise to inner Kalarupa is quite commonly recited.
What are the general praises? Do they exist in english?
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby JKhedrup » Sat Apr 26, 2014 8:49 am

Praise to the Inner Kalarupa is included in one of Thurman's volumes (perhaps the one simply named Essential Tibetan Buddhism). You can also find it in volume two of FPMT's essential Buddhist prayers.

Other commonly recited praises at the monasteru I have only seen in Tibetan.

64 Offerings to Kalarupa is available in English and commonly recited at the end of Solitary Hero Yamantaka self-initiations for example. However, as was mentioned above the empowerment (wang) of Yamantaka is required to recite this

Some lamas would say you need the initiation (jenang) of Kalarupa to perform the 64 Offerings outside a group setting.
In order to ensure my mind never comes under the power of the self-cherishing attitude,
I must obtain control over my own mind.
Therefore, amongst all empowerments, the empowerment that gives me control over my mind is the best,
and I have received the most profound empowerment with this teaching.
-Atisha Dipamkara
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Re: Protectors How do I choose one?

Postby KonchokZoepa » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:21 am

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/gar-drolma-choling


one of those videos is the Achi Chökyi Drolma empowerment…. i checked Garchen's webstore and the smoke offering practice is gone. they only have the complete practice sadhana...
If the thought of demons
Never rises in your mind,
You need not fear the demon hosts around you.
It is most important to tame your mind within....

In so far as the Ultimate, or the true nature of being is concerned,
there are neither buddhas or demons.
He who frees himself from fear and hope, evil and virtue,
will realize the insubstantial and groundless nature of confusion.
Samsara will then appear as the mahamudra itself….

-Milarepa

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