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Postby cooran » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:48 pm

Hello chris98e,

No 'being' or 'consciousness' travels from one life to the next - what is 'reborn' in the flux of becoming is kammic accumulations. The majority of rebecomings are not in human form (which the Buddha taught were extremely rare).

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Postby chris98e » Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:28 am

[quote="Goofaholix"]Of course, actions are impermanent they arise and pass away. The self making those actions is also impermanent. So how can impermanent actions done by an impermanent self solidify into an entity that you can label as "evil"?

Of course in a conventional sense if someone has developed a pattern of evil actions then they have developed a habit and we can anticipate more, but Buddhist practice is focussed on actions and impermanence rather than on solidifying a self thorough identification with habits.

What your saying is i am focused on reinforcing someone's evil behavior. But I am more focused on dealing with it as defending myself from it.


Easily, it can solidify into an impermanent evil entity until the existence chews up the entity and spits it out until it is a life that isn't evil.

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Postby Fede » Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:46 pm

"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

Quieta movere magna merces videbatur. (Sallust, c.86-c.35 BC)
Translation: Just to stir things up seemed a good reward in itself. ;)

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Postby pegembara » Fri Nov 25, 2011 11:08 am

And what is right speech? Abstaining from lying, from divisive speech, from abusive speech, & from idle chatter: This is called right speech.

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Postby Fede » Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:50 pm

No Buddhist believes their mind is pure, but they believe the Mind can BE pure.....

And evil actions make a person as evil, as much as their good actions make them good.

Really, where are you getting all this stuff from?
Is any of it reliably sourced?
"Samsara: The human condition's heartbreaking inability to sustain contentment." Elizabeth Gilbert, 'Eat, Pray, Love'.

Simplify: 17 into 1 WILL go: Mindfulness!

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Re: evil person or just evil actions?

Postby chownah » Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:27 am

Thinking that evil people exist is indulging in a doctrine of self....something the Buddha advises against.
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Re: evil person or just evil actions?

Postby whynotme » Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:12 am

chris has some wisdom but with a clinging mind,

Evil person or evil actions, they are just words, not transmit what the mind really was. If there is no clinging in word, it is all acceptable.

If there is no self then how could the Buddha said I or me? Who is the Buddha? It is just words used to communicate. One can say evil person in the right context, while one can say evil actions but still has ignorance. Don't be so serious.

off topic: reading Goofaholix signature, if that is what Ajan Chah said, then he is definitely not a noble one.

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Re: evil person or just evil actions?

Postby chris98e » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:55 pm

I am writing this post on the grounds that a certain someone gave me a post but he or she didn't it was someone else.

I'm not sure what other Buddhists believe. But as I myself someone who reads the Dhamma, I believe that the mind inherently doesn't have impurities.

I get my sources from the library, the book store, and the internet.


I'm not trying to discuss whether the mind is inherently evil or good or whether in order for the mind to be evil or good, it needs to commit evil or good actions.

The point that I am trying to discuss is that even though the mind is inherently pure, can someone turn his or her mind into a non-inherently evil mind through doing evil actions? And I believe the answer is yes i.e. the hell existence.

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Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:26 am

I'm delighted some of you live in a world where there are no evil people, only unwholesome deeds, and where sociopaths do not exist. However, I have a very good friend who works as a physician in a maximum security prison. Today he told me of a prisoner who, as he put it, "preferred" five and six year old children, either sex. His pleasure was to nail their hands to the floor, and remove their skin while they were still alive. He has never exhibited the slightest remorse and, if freed, would return to enjoying his favorite pastime. Theories and doctrines aside, this is evil as I understand it. Some people seem to not possess a conscience or capacity for remorse.

Some of you may think people such as this are capable of enlightenment because you've read the story of Agualama in a book. I envy your optimism. As for me, I'm very glad there are maximum security prisons.

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